Mind Blank/Nondetection vs. see invisibility/True Seeing

[azmodean]

The glitterdust thread had a comment in it that reminded me of a disagreement my group had about Mind Blank VS True Seeing.

In short, can someone with True Seeing see an invisible creature who has Mind Blank up?

True Seeing
Divination
Level: Clr 5, Drd 7, Knowledge 5, Sor/Wiz 6
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Touch
Target: Creature touched
Duration: 1 min./level
Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)
You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things. Further, the subject can focus its vision to see into the Ethereal Plane (but not into extradimensional spaces). The range of true seeing conferred is 120 feet.
True seeing, however, does not penetrate solid objects. It in no way confers X-ray vision or its equivalent. It does not negate concealment, including that caused by fog and the like. True seeing does not help the viewer see through mundane disguises, spot creatures who are simply hiding, or notice secret doors hidden by mundane means. In addition, the spell effects cannot be further enhanced with known magic, so one cannot use true seeing through a crystal ball or in conjunction with clairaudience/clairvoyance.
Material Component: An ointment for the eyes that costs 250 gp and is made from mushroom powder, saffron, and fat

Mind Blank
Abjuration
Level: Protection 8, Sor/Wiz 8
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One creature
Duration: 24 hours
Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless)
Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)
The subject is protected from all devices and spells that detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts. This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects. Mind blank even foils limited wish, miracle, and wish spells when they are used in such a way as to affect the subject's mind or to gain information about it. In the case of scrying that scans an area the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the spell works but the creature simply isn't detected. Scrying attempts that are targeted specifically at the subject do not work at all.

The primary point of contention is "This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects." In other words, does True Seeing qualify as a divination in this respect as it is from the divination school?

 

[Thanee]

Nope, Mind Blank does nothing against See Invisibility or True Seeing, since they are neither mind-affecting nor information gathering type of spells. Just IMHO, of course.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Scharlata]

Nope, Mind Blank does nothing against See Invisibility or True Seeing, since they are neither mind-affecting nor information gathering type of spells. Just IMHO, of course.

Hi!

I'm with Thanee here. The abjuration magic of Mind Blank does not protect you from simple visual "information gathering" as True Seeing allows.

Kind regards

 

[dcollins]

It's a long-running point of debate whether Mind Blank protects against a narrow subset of divinations, or all of them (including true strike, see invisibility, etc.)

Here's a previous long thread at ENWorld, starting with the Mind Blank vs True Strike question. Feel free to search for where See Invisibility gets mentioned. Lots of posters on both sides of the question. There's a place where Monte Cook gets quoted as saying: "My first response, upon seeing the question was, 'of course not.'... until I got to the line: 'This spell protects against all mind-affecting spells and effects as well as information gathering by divination spells or effects.'... [so now] I'd allow Mind Blank to protect against True Strike."

http://www.enworld.org/archive/index.php/t-3785.html

 

[Jeremy]

The answer I like, and the one playtested thoroughly for a heckuva long time over at Exodus is:

Mind Blank does not protect against See Invis/True Seeing. It protects against a lot of things, but the divination statement applies to divination spells like scrying and detect evil or detect thoughts.

Nondetection does.

That's the interpretation I like the best.

 

[RigaMortus]

So True Seeing and See Invisibility doesn't allow one to "gather information"? Information such as, where the opponent is, what he looks like, etc. ?