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Moderator's Reminder: Keep things civil [EDIT: UPDATED BY MORRUS - FINAL WARNING]

Teflon Billy said:
What are we supposed to expect from these guys who want to post?

Because, for the life of me, I can't imagine how it would be any more than more of "The Party Line"

Are they able to say hat they disagre with WotC's decision?

Can they elaborate on the "secret cool plan"?

Or are we just giving thm a nice soapbox to trot out the same "everything is awesome!" spiel we've heard up to his point?


I think you have to give them the opportunity and allow them to make of it what they will. Besides, this site exists because of their game. It's not like this website can afford to alienate a publisher that large, let alone the one who produces the game on which the site is based.


RavinRay said:
Out of curiosity,

How many of you here are mods in other boards, not necessarily RPG-related? Then you know exactly what the mods here are going through right now.


I was a mod here when Eric Noah handed the site over to the current regime, and through the days of 9/11. What is happening now hardly compares to the chaos of that day/week/month/time.
 

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I can imagine that for a WotC employee, now isn't the best time to be on the web. They're getting treated like dirt, and for most of them it's for a decision their boss or coworker made.

However, I can't blame fans for being furious. Dragon Magazine had a lot of nostalgia and love from the gamer community associated with it. It was one thing that brought together D&D players of all eras. Not every gamer is on the web, believe it or not (at least half the ones I know don't visit gaming sites or boards even if they are on the web), Dragon Magazine was something that reached across the generations of gaming, something a website can never do.

One gamer I know, probably one of the most calm, level headed people most of the time, has been subscribing to Dragon for about 20 years (since he first got into D&D in Junior High), and has a complete collection of the magazine from around issue 118 to present. When he heard about this on a mailing list we're both on, his short reply included the phrase "I wonder if they'll have somebody at Gen Con I can punch". This from someone who is normally the most calm and reasonable person I know and in the almost ten years I've known him one of only two times I can think of him even talking of violence (the other involved when a friend was murdered).

Offline and away from message boards, people I didn't even know read Dragon are upset, because they might not subscribe, but they used to and they might still pick up the occasional issue at their FLGS, and now one of the constants of the D&D world will be gone. There had always been Dragon, I think D&D players expected that whatever form D&D took in the future, there would always be a Dragon Magazine in print they could buy at their FLGS or have delivered in the mail.

This hasn't just touched a nerve in the D&D community, it's cut off an arm. We're hearing nothing from WotC for a long time except how great D&D is doing and how this year is better than ever, then suddenly a 30+ year D&D tradition is gone. . .that's going to shock people.

I really doubt there is little that WotC could have done to anger their fans more, aside from ceasing production of D&D altogether or moving to a 4e that would be a boardgame or collectible RPG or something far afield from conventional RPG's.

However, ENWorld does try for a very high level of civility, and is under normal circumstances the most polite and friendliest message boards I know of on the web (one reason I post here more than any other board), so I can see how people speaking their uncensored mind here is going to create issues, because a lot of normally civil and polite people have some very uncivil and impolite things they'd like to say.
 

RavinRay said:
Out of curiosity,

How many of you here are mods in other boards, not necessarily RPG-related? Then you know exactly what the mods here are going through right now.

I'm a mod of two tennis players' boards (no, I won't say whose ;) ). Hats off to the mods here for all their hard work.

Yeah, the mods here kick major buttocks.

I administer two boards - one is basically no-rules (which makes moderation more a job of biting your tongue and NOT moderating), and the other is a cyberpunk forum with about 30 posts a day.

So while I understand the task of moderation, I cannot possibly imagine the hard work that goes on behind the scenes here.

Well, except for Rel. We all know he doesn't actually do anything.
 



Teflon Billy said:
What are we supposed to expect from these guys who want to post?
Willingness to post here in the future?

EDIT: Though, from what it looks like in the question thread Morrus set up, they're not going to post in EN World regardless.
 
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Since I've posted more than my fair share of caustic posts, and have been told to walk away from a thread or two, and stroll through a lot of different forums that I can compare, I can say with a fair degree of confidence that the modding around here is pretty fair. Yes, there are a few folks that get the soft gloves treatment, but you'll run into that on any forum. Nobody can be on 100 percent of the time, and everyone makes mistakes, and anyone plays favorites and has friends.

If they are tightening things down over this particular issue, then it's probably necessary.
 

Yeah, first off, "Kudos" to Morrus and all the mods for keeping things under control as much as possible!! :D

Dragon Magazine had a lot of nostalgia and love from the gamer community associated with it. It was one thing that brought together D&D players of all eras. Not every gamer is on the web, believe it or not (at least half the ones I know don't visit gaming sites or boards even if they are on the web), Dragon Magazine was something that reached across the generations of gaming, something a website can never do.

I agree, Wingsandsword.
What about those who don't have consistent 'Net access? Withot knowing anythjing about the new prgram, that seems to be one of the fundamental flaws of the "Digital Initiative"; that, and the loss of the "Dragon" magazine legacy.

I am online, and I'm not particularly interested in the D.I.
Though I am also curious about what TPTB have to say.... :uhoh:
 

Morrus said:
What you just said to me is "Russ, I have no intention of respecting the conditions under which you allow me to post on your website, including the very clear one I just replied to".

The moderator who saw this gave you a three day ban. However, I'm making that permanent.

Folks, let me be clear: your permission to post on this website is dependent upon you respecting the conditions laid down by the person who owns it. It's that simple. You don't agree, go to another website.

Kheti sa-Menik, please do not use my website again.

Frankly, I think it is about time, I was staying away from the threads for good reason.

If you people truly like and care about ENWorld you will fully support Morrus and the Moderators as well as toning it down. People have said a lot of things on these boards that a lawyer would call "actionable."
I am completely exhausted (new baby at home, yeah me) but I have to say that some of the things said here about SPECIFIC named WotC employees are truly insulting to anyone that has met or dealt with some of these people. I can assure you, nobody loves DnD more than the people whose livelihood depends on its success. Whether you agree or disagree with them, some of the things said in several threads are truly beyond anything reasonable.

Go Moderators!
 


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