"Modern New Age Mythic Game": RPG design by formula

[JPL]

And "boring" means, "written so as to provide no intellectual content or entertainment." Which that article most certainly was.

Yawn.

I mean, talk about your easy targets -- gee, calling White Wolf games pretentious? That sure took thought. That's really cutting-edge comedy, there. Sort of like calling Microsoft big.

Word.

Disclaimers aside, I thought the real low point of the article was to make gays the Vampire surrogates in the sample game setting. The targets don't get any easier, do they? If you're going that route, you'd better make it pretty damn funny --- and this article isn't.

 

[eyebeams]

The fact that Erick Wujcik isn't the type of guy who goes around screaming from the rooftops about how his game is the most brilliant thing since sliced bread, unlike mr. Rein·Hagen, doesn't mean that Mr.Wujcik actually has a far better claim to merit making such a statement.

That's not the point. The point is that the author of the game contradicts yuour statements about the game. All the fist shaking at Mark Rein-Hagen in the world cannot save you from this basic inconsistency.

Perhaps you are so unaccustomed to humility as to mistake it for weakness, just as you appear to mistake pseudo-intellectual prattling for actual intellectuality.

Ah, and here is the part of the thread where Eyebeams is losing the argument so he drags himself down to the gutter of personal attacks on his opponent's intelligence or education...

I just thought I'd let these stand side by side.

But I'll reiterate: I honestly don't think you've read Nobilis cover to cover, or even read a White Wolf book produced in the last five yeras cover to cover. It's not an insult. It's speculation about what you're bringing to this discussion. Obviously, you would never buy these books, which means your chance of haiving ever given them a thorough read is actually pretty slight. I've noticed here and elsewhere that you don't ever cite texts and only cite second hand web postings about these games. You have never brought forth an iota of evidence to indicate that you are familiar with these to the extent that you can levy criticisms worth considering. Indeed, both of your threads cite posts on RPG.net and an article on a web site.

 

[Piratecat]

What a delightfully pretentious statement. I mean, buy the actual definition of the word pretentious, rather than your invented definition.

Perhaps you are so unaccustomed to humility as to mistake it for weakness, just as you appear to mistake pseudo-intellectual prattling for actual intellectuality.

Uh huh.

I'm getting a little tired of babysitting, and of reiterating the rules. Guys, you both know the rules here about no personal attacks. One more from either of you means that you get a free vacation from the boards. We usually only suspend people as a last resort, but my patience is at an end. You aren't children who need to squabble in a schoolyard, so for crying out loud quit acting like it. I expect better from both of you.

That holds true for other folks who are weighing in on this thread just to pick a fight. Mr. Skarka, I'm looking at you.

As always, email me with questions or complaints - but please stop the sniping, the personal attacks, and the passive-aggressive nastiness.

 

[Nisarg]

But I'll reiterate: I honestly don't think you've read Nobilis cover to cover, or even read a White Wolf book produced in the last five yeras cover to cover. It's not an insult. It's speculation about what you're bringing to this discussion. Obviously, you would never buy these books, which means your chance of haiving ever given them a thorough read is actually pretty slight. I've noticed here and elsewhere that you don't ever cite texts and only cite second hand web postings about these games. You have never brought forth an iota of evidence to indicate that you are familiar with these to the extent that you can levy criticisms worth considering. Indeed, both of your threads cite posts on RPG.net and an article on a web site.

For the sake of clearing up my good name, I will say here that while it is gruellingly difficult to sludge one's way through gamebooks that are so full of posturing and twee verbiage and mangled latin, etc etc. I HAVE read Nobilis from cover to cover (twice, actually, I read the first edition before the latest edition with the admittedly stunning cover art came out), and I've read several relatively recent WW products from cover to cover as well (World of Darkness core book, Vampire: The Requiem, Exalted main book, dragon blooded, storytellers companion). Though I can't be blamed for having skipped over a few pages here and there in all of these, after near-unbearable tedium sets in.
Nevertheless, I have read these books sufficiently to feel qualified to comment on all of them.

Its a pretty cheap shot to make such accusations, as anyone could make the same baseless attack against anyone on this list, since really its fairly rarely that anyone on any thread on this forum feels the need to cite specific page numbers and paragraphs from books. So really, accusing someone else on this thread of not having read the books is nothing more than a personal attack. Its basically slander.

Nisarg

 

[GMSkarka]

So really, accusing someone else on this thread of not having read the books is nothing more than a personal attack. Its basically slander.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Eridanis]

Enough. Thread closed, and please go to your respective corners to calm down.