Laman Stahros
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I think that your talking about the death of Baldur, which means the Goddess that your talking about is Frigga, Odin's wife. I have never heard of Freya being married or having children.Dr. Strangemonkey said:
Momma Goddesses
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Dr. Strangemonkey
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You are correct sir, my mistake.Laman Stahros said:
Dr. Strangemonkey
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On another note, aside from loved one corpse retrieval, what sort of services should a divine patron of mothers provide?
Not simply talking big stuff here but small things as well. What rituals and ethics would serve to attract mammas and people interested in mammas as worshippers?
Finding things and guiding people home are great aspects. Maybe a celebration that involves taking children and their mothers to see each other, or a common good deed involving leaving meals for others without being directly asked?
Dogs in the city guard would be interesting. A corps of animals that track down lost people or guard/sit children as minor miracles would be pretty cool. Not certain that I want this particular deity to be entirely animal aspected, but it's an intriguing take.
Not simply talking big stuff here but small things as well. What rituals and ethics would serve to attract mammas and people interested in mammas as worshippers?
Finding things and guiding people home are great aspects. Maybe a celebration that involves taking children and their mothers to see each other, or a common good deed involving leaving meals for others without being directly asked?
Dogs in the city guard would be interesting. A corps of animals that track down lost people or guard/sit children as minor miracles would be pretty cool. Not certain that I want this particular deity to be entirely animal aspected, but it's an intriguing take.
mythago
Hero
That's because she wasn't really the goddess of childbirth and motherhood. More like the goddess of sex and killing things. Of course, in the mother department you have Ninhursag, who wasn't exactly all baking cookies and lullabyes either...mythusmage said:
Queen of the dead, in Babylonian circles, was Ereshkigal ('lady of the great below'). She and Ishtar got into a tiff, and there's a whole Orpheus story in there too, but that's kind of off-topic.
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Knightfall
World of Kulan DM
Dr. Strangemonkey said:
Thanks, I'm really proud of how I meshed the different gods together into one pantheon - Inanna, Issek, Aegir, Bast, Daghdha, Damh, Hades, Immotion (from College of Wizardry), and Lokun (or Loki, if you prefer), as well as my homebrewed gods mixed in with them. It's quite an interesting pantheon with a detailed backstory of how they came together.
Thorw in the Finnish god Hiisi, as the main rival, along with a dark pantheon to oppose the North Gods and the Divinity War was the result.
Plus, Ahto, Apollo, Dike, Dionysus, Hel, Loviatar, Mielikki, Ptah, Ran, and Uller, as Interloper Gods, not aligned to either pantheon, as well as many of the gods of the D&D Pantheon and a few other obscure deities such as Piratecat's god named Calphas (with P'Cat's permission) and you end up with a diverse group of gods whose worshippers might be your ally, or might not.
Cheers!
KF72
Knightfall
World of Kulan DM
On another note, this thread rocks!
Plus, check out this site:
Encyclopedia Mythica
http://www.pantheon.org/
Plus, check out this site:
Encyclopedia Mythica
http://www.pantheon.org/
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Dr. Strangemonkey
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Thanks. Threads on the bridge between the real, the mythical/historical, and the game are why I come here, bout time I did one for myself.
I been talking to people about this issue, and my GF presented me with a revelation I'm just kicking myself over.
We're both of the Popish persuasion and were thinking on the subject, when she told me/I realized that this can't be a single deity.
There has to be a kid and a momma or the whole thing fails to work.
So, in light of that, a few things fell together.
I don't have names for the deities yet, but they are always the mother and the daughter/sister. In the context of worship men are always sons of the mother and sisters of the daughter, but women can be sisters of the mother and mothers of the daughter as well as daughters of the mother and sisters of the daughter.
They have a special relationship to animals, but particularly predators and those species in which the mother cares for children and teaches them. They can take the form of animals, but when in animal form one of them must be humanoid or they must always be mother and a cub or kit.
The mother is always more substantial and older than the daughter, but they can come very close in apparent age and appearance. Stereotypically the daughter is more mischevous and kinetic than the mother, but in actuallity, and the myths make this apparent, they are very similar in outlook and personality even where their aims and desire may differ. There are even indications that the two switch or succeed roles with some frequency.
The two are famed stewards, brewers, bakers, fishers, dancers, tanners, animal tamers, and weavers. Much of their mythology involves intelligent animals or shapechangers, drink, and ovens. As much as they are nurturers and preservers they are also agents of protection, revenge, and recrimination with little to no respect for either privacy or law. Enemies of the mother, and her own wayward worshippers, are spied on and offered soft diplomacy, hard deals, and drink followed by, failing the diplomacy, horrible murder as they are mauled, butchered, and baked.
The mother does not make deals, nor does she give gifts without obligation. She can be pleaded with and is compassionate, but not with those who renege or refuse where there is obligation. The mother and sister are very sharp and successful in business and politics, if overly pragmatic and generally without great ambition. They despise conventional warfare, approve of activism, and have no illusions about the necessity of threat and spectacle.
Among the deities they have a reputation for being too shrewd and tricksterish with no compunction over dealing with evil, if only from a position of strength, if sometimes hidden strength. They are known for a very sharp sense and prankish sense of humor, having little respect for the accomplishments of others, and being too quick to humble others.
In family life they are great patrons of love and bawdyness, but only properly applied. They patronize widows, but not orphans or illegitimate children, though they are happy to recognize ceremonies of adoption or legitimacy performed under the purview of other deities.
I been talking to people about this issue, and my GF presented me with a revelation I'm just kicking myself over.
We're both of the Popish persuasion and were thinking on the subject, when she told me/I realized that this can't be a single deity.
There has to be a kid and a momma or the whole thing fails to work.
So, in light of that, a few things fell together.
I don't have names for the deities yet, but they are always the mother and the daughter/sister. In the context of worship men are always sons of the mother and sisters of the daughter, but women can be sisters of the mother and mothers of the daughter as well as daughters of the mother and sisters of the daughter.
They have a special relationship to animals, but particularly predators and those species in which the mother cares for children and teaches them. They can take the form of animals, but when in animal form one of them must be humanoid or they must always be mother and a cub or kit.
The mother is always more substantial and older than the daughter, but they can come very close in apparent age and appearance. Stereotypically the daughter is more mischevous and kinetic than the mother, but in actuallity, and the myths make this apparent, they are very similar in outlook and personality even where their aims and desire may differ. There are even indications that the two switch or succeed roles with some frequency.
The two are famed stewards, brewers, bakers, fishers, dancers, tanners, animal tamers, and weavers. Much of their mythology involves intelligent animals or shapechangers, drink, and ovens. As much as they are nurturers and preservers they are also agents of protection, revenge, and recrimination with little to no respect for either privacy or law. Enemies of the mother, and her own wayward worshippers, are spied on and offered soft diplomacy, hard deals, and drink followed by, failing the diplomacy, horrible murder as they are mauled, butchered, and baked.
The mother does not make deals, nor does she give gifts without obligation. She can be pleaded with and is compassionate, but not with those who renege or refuse where there is obligation. The mother and sister are very sharp and successful in business and politics, if overly pragmatic and generally without great ambition. They despise conventional warfare, approve of activism, and have no illusions about the necessity of threat and spectacle.
Among the deities they have a reputation for being too shrewd and tricksterish with no compunction over dealing with evil, if only from a position of strength, if sometimes hidden strength. They are known for a very sharp sense and prankish sense of humor, having little respect for the accomplishments of others, and being too quick to humble others.
In family life they are great patrons of love and bawdyness, but only properly applied. They patronize widows, but not orphans or illegitimate children, though they are happy to recognize ceremonies of adoption or legitimacy performed under the purview of other deities.
Dr. Strangemonkey
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So what do you guys think about symbols, taboos, temples, rituals, good deeds, prayer, miracles, and myths for the above sort of deity?
Any further sources of inspiration or clues I should look for?
To DnD it, what sort of domains, weapons, and titles should I be looking at or for?
I figure, given the mortuarial and steward aspects, they would hate unintelligent undead and species like Orcs that enslave women. And I like the idea of their sponsoring rangers. But beyond that the technical aspects are generally where I get stumped.
Any further sources of inspiration or clues I should look for?
To DnD it, what sort of domains, weapons, and titles should I be looking at or for?
I figure, given the mortuarial and steward aspects, they would hate unintelligent undead and species like Orcs that enslave women. And I like the idea of their sponsoring rangers. But beyond that the technical aspects are generally where I get stumped.
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
I was reading up on Bear cults yesterday and apparantly the greek Artemis was patron of such a cult. The 'Artio' were young girls who wore golden bear skins and became 'tomboys' who could get involved in bawldry behaviour, didn't have to wash and could generally run wild under the protection of this 'Sister Bear'. However if they ever decided to become interested in boys they had to go through a ritual wherein they threw off the bear skin and rejoined civil society and 'proper' feminine roles (sort of a whacked out Girl Guides Movement).
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TheAuldGrump
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And like Baba Yaga not all Mother godesses were or are kind.
Kali Ma
Sow Demeter
The Corn Mother
Ceredwen
to name a few.
The Auld Grump, just what are we supposed to do with this Maypole?...
Kali Ma
Sow Demeter
The Corn Mother
Ceredwen
to name a few.
The Auld Grump, just what are we supposed to do with this Maypole?...
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