Mongoose exits 4E ?

[SteveC]

That's unfortunate, as I really enjoyed Wraith Recon (yes, I was the one). Runequest seems to be their house go-to system for the post D&D world, and to my mind that's too bad...it really isn't a good fit for much of what they're doing (in my opinion, of course). Can't say as I'll miss their other 4E products, though.

--Steve

 

[ggroy]

Personally, I can say that I bought a lot of 3pp 3e products and, well, soured on buying a lot of them due to quality concerns. Towards the end of 3e I still bought a few products from some vendors I trusted, but I was barely trying any new ones and that practice has mostly carried over into 4e as well. Even if there are 4e products out there I'd use, I'm not looking. I just make my own stuff or do without.

By the time I was playing 3.5E D&D, the d20 bubble was already in the process of deflating. (I previously took a 15+ year long hiatus away from tabletop rpg gaming, where I completely missed 2E AD&D and 3E D&D). At the time I noticed tons of d20 stuff starting to show up in the bargain bins, where I ended up mostly picking up all kinds of DM specific stuff like settings and adventure modules along with some splatbooks.

For the most part, a lot of d20 stuff (both 3PP and WotC) was somewhat mediocre or outright disappointing. I noticed a lot of it was the sort of stuff I use to make up in my 1E AD&D games back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the 3PP stuff I picked up from the bargain bins (ie. setting books, adventure modules, monster books, etc ...), was directly from somebody's own homebrew game but cleaned up and edited for presentation.

The only books I found that were somewhat useful were ones which had a lot of random tables, like Toolbox from AEG.

 

[Set]

Considering how crappy their Quintessensial books were, that's just good news.

Yeah, that Mike Mearls guy had some odd ideas in the Quintessential Wizard. Wouldn't want him to write anything for 4E.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

That's unfortunate, as I really enjoyed Wraith Recon (yes, I was the one).

I love the wraith recon set up, I have the base book, and the first adventure book, and was looking forward to more. I am saddened by the loss of these...

Yeah, that Mike Mearls guy had some odd ideas in the Quintessential Wizard. Wouldn't want him to write anything for 4E.

Mike wrote some horrorble things for both personal and public use...he also wrote some AWSOME stuff for both... the problem is that one company has a LOT of editing and quality control to sep the two, the other doesn't...

 

[Ketjak]

Mike Mearls or not, most of Mongoose's work is utter garbage, from D&D to Conan to 2089 (WarMachones (sic) actually made it to a book spine, and the contents were from all directions). Editing, balance, design - all of it, poop.

 

[Jack99]

Yeah, that Mike Mearls guy had some odd ideas in the Quintessential Wizard. Wouldn't want him to write anything for 4E.

We are talking about the 4e versions, which Mearls had nothing to do with. I know it's hard to grasp, but it invalidates your point completely. Sorry. Please try again next year.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

It may be that those who are most likely to buy 3pp material are also the ones who are most likely to make use of the character builder. There may be a lot of people who don't use the CB (casual gamers and the like), but they're also not the people who go looking for 3pp material.

Yes. Anyone in the PDF and 3PP supplement market is pretty "hardcore" and probably also among DDI users.

I think the usual tendency will always be to first get everything that the "First Party" (or Second? How do we count that?) has to offer, and then what third parties might have.

So if the character builder is not a disincentive to buy 3PP stuff, then only because most people never get that far to want 3PP stuff in the first place.

 

[DaveMage]

Consistent print 3PP support for 4E is now essentially Goodman Games.

That's it.

Of course, consistent print 3PP support for 3.x (aka Pathfinder) is now essentially Paizo.

That's it.

How times have changed, eh?

 

[JeffB]

I don't want to sound "harsh", but honestly when I saw the thread title, my first thought was "whooptee doo". Mongoose to me, is about like Fast Forward was- lots of below par product, just that Mongoose has had the cha-ching to grab some big name titles which really helped them grow (not to mention the White Wolf-esque, "need to buy 5 other books to run this game" syndrome.)

I did not care for any of the 3E/D20 products Mongoose has done that I bought or read through, and even after I tried REALLY hard to force myself to like Mongoose Runequest, I can't do it- and RQ2 was/is my fave RPG of all time.

IOW- what amount of 4E fans are really going to miss Mongoose?? I think the real tragedies are the companies who are not producing at all for 4E like Necromancer, Green Ronin, Paizo, etc. Thats a loss.

 

[ggroy]

I don't want to sound "harsh", but honestly when I saw the thread title, my first thought was "whooptee doo". Mongoose to me, is about like Fast Forward was- lots of below par product

Heh. Fast Forward.

I remember finding a bunch of Fast Forward's d20 books in the bargain bins many years ago for $5 or less per book. It turns out that most of them were not even good value for $5.

At times I wonder why that company even existed in the first place, besides the presence of James Ward.