(Mongoose) Licences and RPGs

I suppose the "B" could also be for Barsoom, but if that's the case, frankly, I don't know why it would be such a big deal. Don't get me wrong, Barsoom looks cool, but I don't see that it has any more of a following than maybe Conan, which is also extremely cool, but not the type of license you keep secret. Also, I'm not familliar of any TV series or movies based on Barsoom.

Where in Dragon magazine should I look for the clue?

They have an ad posted on page 35. B-Minus 120 days and counting is at the bottom of the ad.
 

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Vrylakos said:
Jeesh, I hope it's Stargate too.
I never gave the show a look until they put it after Farscape on Sci-fi. Since they began running the 4 hour blocks on Monday, I've started catching up on things, and really like how it goes together.

I used to watch B5, but now, it just sort of bores me...

Vrylakos

Hey, Stargate is a cool show. Its so great that sci-fi acquired that so they can drop Farscape like a hot potato (no, there's no bitterness here). I would probably buy the RPG just to have it. On the other hand, has Stargate SG-1 ever received an emmie? Babylon 5 has 2 of those as well as 2 consecutive Hugo awards. The also pioneered digital special effects for television, and created a universe to explore that is incredibly huge and complex, and they were able to show most of it from within the confines of a tin can in space. Just as importantly, if you aren't the type of gamer that would want to stay bottled up, the setting allows for as much interstellar exploration as you could want.

Stargate SG-1 is a cool show, and it's based on a cool movie, but how much of it couldn't be done by using straight D20 modern?
 

Baraendur said:


Hey, Stargate is a cool show. Its so great that sci-fi acquired that so they can drop Farscape like a hot potato (no, there's no bitterness here). I would probably buy the RPG just to have it. On the other hand, has Stargate SG-1 ever received an emmie? Babylon 5 has 2 of those as well as 2 consecutive Hugo awards. The also pioneered digital special effects for television, and created a universe to explore that is incredibly huge and complex, and they were able to show most of it from within the confines of a tin can in space. Just as importantly, if you aren't the type of gamer that would want to stay bottled up, the setting allows for as much interstellar exploration as you could want.

Stargate SG-1 is a cool show, and it's based on a cool movie, but how much of it couldn't be done by using straight D20 modern?

Hey, I wrote my emails against the Farscape's cancelation, but does this mean I can't enjoy SG-1? SG-1 isn't the reason Farscape got canceled.

As for Emmys, Hugo awards, and so forth, congratulations to B5, but I say so what. Does this mean it makes good gaming by default? The special effects and Hugo-winning writing aren't going to be packaged in the game. That'll be up to gamer imagination and GM sweat, as always.

I'd venture that a lot of B5 could be done with d20 Modern as well. Both shows feature a lot of the same needed rules tweaks: spaceship rules, alien races, differing technology levels existing side by side.

However, B5 isn't an ongoing franchise in any big sense of the word, so it would make more sense to me if it was SG-1(which is probably a season from cancelation, admittedly) were going to be made into an rpg.

Not to be overly Devil's Advocate-y, but I'm just not sold on your reasons for B5 being a better option for gaming over SG-1.

Vrylakos
 

Vrylakos said:

Not to be overly Devil's Advocate-y, but I'm just not sold on your reasons for B5 being a better option for gaming over SG-1.

In my mind, SG-1 has one thing over B5: its currently in production. However, with B5, it goes back to the complexity of the universe that was created. In 5 years of B5, they were able to do what Trek hasn't done in a combined 26 years of television, which is to create a story arc that is designed to last throughout the entirety of a pre-determined run (yes, they planned to end the show after 5 years), and then not only make it happen, but make the universe large enough that it is suited for roleplaying. Sure, I can't bring the special effects or the excellent alien designs to the table, but the universe is just so incredibly rich.

The other thing that some RPG's based on movies or shows suffer from is the fact that the characters you play aren't involved in the main storyline in any huge way. Star Wars can be summarized as being the story of the Skywalkers. If you aren't a Skywalker then the character is going to be always on the sidelines doing something of minor importance while Luke is off saving the galaxy. The same could be said for Dragonlance, Lord of the Rings, etc. If you aren't in the center of the action, you feel left out. This isn't the case for B5. This is a universe where any character can take command of a starship, find themselves in diplomatic positions, and otherwise find themselves at the center of their own story arc that is every bit as important as the one in the show.

Some possibilities right off the top of my head for B5 are: looking for a cure to the Drakh plague (sure there was Crusade, but we only know how the first 13 episodes go, there could be more later), negotiating treaties between new worlds that are entering the Interstellar Alliance, being grunts assigned to smaller specific peacekeeping tasks, running cargo from various space stations, exploring the rim, being rangers, getting involved with the various factions of power and playing them against one another (or biringing them together for a common purpose), fighting the psi-corps, and so on. A good campaign should have many elements from the above list and then some. The universe was structured so that there was a lot more going on other than just what was in the show. About the only exception to this is the Shadow War, during which a party could play an important role in information gathering, fighting the shadows directly, or even tending to the situation between B5 and Earth, which took a back burner while the shadow war was going on.

Maybe you could make the case fow why SG-1 would be the better RPG...?

BTW, I actually didn't write a letter of protest over the cancellation of Farscape. This last season has been extremely weak, the writing seems to have greatly suffered, and it seemed like they should have wraped it at the end of season 3 when Crais and Talyn blew up Scorpy's command carrier. I will miss the show when its gone though.
 
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As for Farscape, its not cancelled yet as far as I can tell. I keep seeing previews and commercials for the next season that is to start on January 10th on SciFi channel.

I am not saying that B5 wouldn't have its roleplaying opportunities or anything like that...with a good GM any game can be fun. To me, however, I have watched episodes of Stargate, Babylon 5 and Farscape, and of all of them Farscape was just boring, and babylon 5 not far behind, although Babylon 5 did have its twists that could keep a person interested (but I saw many episodes where I fell asleep during the watching of it that I find it boring).

However, after reading your reasons as to the potential adventures one could have with B5, if I see episodes on tv I'll give it another watch or two to watch for some of these possibilities, but if that is the game, I still don't think I will buy it.

I guess just the possibility of being able to go through numerous Stargates and finding different cultures and technologies and rulers and enemies that don't like humans and attacks against earth and just as many variants for mysteries and diseases and first encounters and second encounters with the species/cultures that don't totally hate us for invading their worlds and then finding strange symbols on ancient walls on faraway planets that could tell us more about our origins and things like that...to me, this and more is why I would play Stargate, because there is just more potential and more freedom to explore, well, at least that is the way it seems to me.
 

B-5 boring?

Watching a couple of random episodes of B-5 is probably the best way to make the show boring. As has been mentioned, the show has a five year story arc. While I had enjoyed the pilot for the series, I never got interested in the series until a friend loaned me video tapes in sequence.

Don't think of it as a weekly series on TV, think of it as a 5 season long movie. Start at the beginning, and you'll want to go on to the end. After all, if all you saw of "Fellowship of the Ring" were the scenes in Riverdale of character development, would you have thought that movie was boring?
 

Re: B-5 boring?

Pagan priest said:
Watching a couple of random episodes of B-5 is probably the best way to make the show boring. As has been mentioned, the show has a five year story arc. While I had enjoyed the pilot for the series, I never got interested in the series until a friend loaned me video tapes in sequence.

Don't think of it as a weekly series on TV, think of it as a 5 season long movie. Start at the beginning, and you'll want to go on to the end. After all, if all you saw of "Fellowship of the Ring" were the scenes in Riverdale of character development, would you have thought that movie was boring?

you are probably correct but I don't know anyone with the series and I don't know if its available for purchase. Still, I want an official Stargate book.

I will say this though if it is B5...I'll look at the book, talk to a few friends, and if they all seem interested in the idea, then I just might buy the book...but I know we (my friends and I) are really wanting Stargate and all of us would buy that before B5.
 

Re: Re: B-5 boring?

EarthsShadow said:

you are probably correct but I don't know anyone with the series and I don't know if its available for purchase. Still, I want an official Stargate book.

If you have cable TV, you should be able to catch all the episodes on the Scifi channel in order daily. Also, the Season 1 DVD set just came out. I've got mine.

Another thing about B5 that you might find interesting is that one of the things Straczynski did for the series was to get a lot of the writers for the original Star Trek as regular cast writers. This really helped build such a complex (and very playable) universe. Harlan Ellison was a consultant throughout the entire run of the show. Peter David, who is probably the most notable Trek novel author also wrote some episodes as well as some books that follow up the series.

As for Stargate, I'm sure its a great show. It certainly has a following. I've watched it and haven't found the ones I've seen all that interesting, but then I did like the original movie and maybe I just need to give it more of a chance. I've also seen a total of probably 4 episodes, so I've given it no more of a chance than you've given B5. Now that the reruns are on scifi, I might just make an effort to try to get into the show. Since B5 and the X-Files have ended, I haven't really had a good scifi to get into, so it is possible. I hear its renewed for another season, which is always good news for a scifi show.
 

I had the same experience with B5 and SG-1. I watched a few eps, and was not so thrilled.

With B5 a friend showed me some key episodes in sequence, and I was hooked.

SG-1, the same thing happened. Seeing it randomly, it looked boring, but when I saw a few late season eps that were good, I decided to give it a shot with the 'From the Beginning' blocks on Monday. After a shakey start (much like Buffy), it really got me and now I really dig it.

That said, whatever book it is, it'll be good to see sci fi shows in rpg form. I'd just like SG-1 over B5 right now...

... but ask me a few years ago, and it'd be a different story.

Vrylakos
 


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