Monks Flurry of blows + shuriken

[Histel]

Hi all fellow DnD'ers!

I'm kinda new to this forum, and didn't find a search function. So I don't know if this subject has been discussed earlier.

Well, anyways...

The description of the weapon shuriken states that you can throw 3 shurikens per attack. And the Flurry of Blows allows you to take an extra attack (with penalties on both attacks).

I just wondered if it is possible to throw 6 shurikens in a round with use of the monks ability: Flurry of Blows?

Thanks in advance! I'm really looking forward to participate more in this forum

 

[Yig]

Welcome to the boards !

Are you using 3.0 or 3.5 rules ?

In 3.5 they removed the volley of shuriken thing. It is now 1 shuriken per attack. They count as ammo so you can shoot as many as you have attacks, including Flurry. You also add your full Str bonus to each shuriken you throw.

Don't know about 3.0...

 

[Histel]

Thanks for very quick respond =)

I'm currently using 3.0 .. so =/

 

[Kae'Yoss]

A couple of things:

1. Welcome to the boards!
2. There is a search function, but only community supporters can use it.
3. It has beed discussed several times, probably, but it's not a big deal, there's things that are discussed much more often, and much more heatedly.
4. The rules are: 3 throwing stars per attack; flurry gives you one extra attack. Ergo 2 attacks mean 6 stars. That 20th-level monk with his 3.0 unarmed attack bonus progression and his flurry of blows will have 6 attacks per round, which means 18 shuriken.
5. My advice: look up how shuriken are handled in 3.5, and look up the monk class in 3.5. Consider using them (many people use 3.0 with 3.5 elements and vice versa) You won't have the burdersome unarmed attack progression, and won't have to think about what goes into all three shurikens and what only on the frist per attack (for example, only one shuriken will benefit from sneak attack). You find the info in the SRD (www.d20srd.org, or whatever you prefer).

 

[Histel]

Thanks for all that! =)

Thank you for clearing that out for me Kae'Yoss (Actually had to read that nickname several times out loud to understand what it actually said, hehe, nice one!)

So I assume the same thing goes for the feat Rapid Shot then? 3 extra shurikens (in dnd 3.0 at least )

A lvl 20 monk with Rapid Shot and the Flurry of Blows could throw 21 shurikens with poison in one round!?! ...correct?

 

[Kae'Yoss]

So I assume the same thing goes for the feat Rapid Shot then? 3 extra shurikens (in dnd 3.0 at least )

Yes.

A lvl 20 monk with Rapid Shot and the Flurry of Blows could throw 21 shurikens with poison in one round!?! ...correct?

A rich one certainly could. This is one of the reasons why I prefer the 3.5 handling of shuriken.

And if you think 21 would be bad, wait until someone claims that he can use both hands to throw and demand the two-weapon fighting feat chain (opening the can of "two-weapon fighting flurry" worms)

 

[Histel]

..no further comment

 

[Staffan]

Note that in 3.0, shuriken are not one of the special monk weapons that allow a flurry of blows or the monk's advantageous iterative attacks. So you basically have three options:
1. Use 3.0, where you throw three shuriken per attack, and the monk has to use his normal BAB to throw them.
2. Use 3.5, where you throw one shuriken per attack, and the monk can use them in a flurry of blows.
3. Cheat and use a hybrid, allowing the monk to use flurry of blows with 3-per-attack shuriken. I recommend against this.

 

[Histel]

Note that in 3.0, shuriken are not one of the special monk weapons that allow a flurry of blows or the monk's advantageous iterative attacks. So you basically have three options:
1. Use 3.0, where you throw three shuriken per attack, and the monk has to use his normal BAB to throw them.
2. Use 3.5, where you throw one shuriken per attack, and the monk can use them in a flurry of blows.
3. Cheat and use a hybrid, allowing the monk to use flurry of blows with 3-per-attack shuriken. I recommend against this.

Not entirely correct is it? .. In 3.0 the Flurry of Blows doesn't require a secial monk weapon. In the description of Flurry of Blows it states the following:

...A monk may also use the flurry of blows if armed with a special monk weapon (kama, nunchaku, or siangham). If armed with one such weapon, she makes the extra attack with either that weapon or unarmed...

It never mention that I HAVE to use a special monk weapon to use the flurry of blows. (As it does in 3.5 description...)

That means I'm still eligible to throw shurikens while using the flurry of blows to the fullest, hence 6 shurikens at lvl 1! (in 3.0 that is)

(BTW, that mistyped comma in that description is actually not my typo, but WotC =P "nunchaku, or siangham")

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~Histel

 

[Saeviomagy]

Not entirely correct is it? .. In 3.0 the Flurry of Blows doesn't require a secial monk weapon. In the description of Flurry of Blows it states the following:

Or precisely what we're saying - that you need to use a special monk weapon to flurry with. I don't understand how you could interpret it to mean the opposite.

If something says you "may" do it with certain weapons and never specifies any other situation in which you can do it, you may ONLY DO IT WITH THOSE WEAPONS. However, in the case of the monk, I believe it states you can also do it unarmed.

So - special weapons or unarmed only.