Monster Manual 2...super rant!!!


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What makes this book stand out for me, Scott and Clark put their hearts and souls into this book. I certainly know I'll enjoy it. :) They've yet to dissappoint.
 

To add to what Grazzt said: Old monsters also make converting from past edition material easier.

*dons conspiracy cap*
Too many monsters from past editions would mean you would have less incentive to buy new modules. They couldn't make it too compatible or all that old material would stay useful without much effort to convert.

*takes off conspiracy cap*
But then again, adventures don't sell anyway, so we're told. And WotC hasn't been putting up too many barriers to conversions of old material anyway.

I still don't like yrthaks though. :D
 

Tuerny said:
hmmmmmmmm
I might have to check it out after all.
How many of the new monsters are fiends of some sort?

You can see the Table of Contents here:

http://pub123.ezboard.com/fnecromancergamesfrm31.showMessage?topicID=41.topic

But here are the fiends (assuming you mean demons, devils, yugoloths/daemons, and demodands/gehreleths):

Daemon, Caco-
Daemon, Charon
Daemon, Charonadaemon
Daemon, Dergho-
Daemon, Hydro-
Daemon, Pisco-
Daemon, Oinodaemon
Demodand, Shaggy
Demodand, Slime
Demodand, Tarry
Demon, Aeshma
Demon, Alu-
Demon, Baphomet (Lord)
Demon, Beluiri (Princess of Temptation)
Demon, Cambion
Demon, Barizou
Demon, Azizou
Demon, Geruzou
Demon, Dagon (Prince)
Demon, Daraka
Demon, The Faceless Lord (Lord)
Demon, Fraz-Urb’Luu (Prince)
Demon, Gharros
Demon, Kostchtchie (Lord)
Demon, Maphistal
Demon, Nabasu (Lesser)
Demon, Nabasu (Greater)
Demon, Nerizo
Demon, Orcus (Prince)
Demon, Pazuzu (Prince)
Demon, Sonechard
Demon, Stirge
Demon, Tsathogga (Lord)
Devil, Amon (Duke)
Devil, Baaphel (Duke)
Devil, Bael (Duke)
Devil, Geryon (Arch)
Devil, Ghaddar
Devil, Gorson (Duke)
Devil, Hutijin (Duke)
Devil, Lucifer (Arch)
Devil, Moloch (Arch)
Devil, Titivilus (Duke)
Devil, Tormentor of Souls
Devil, Nupperibo
 

Nightfall said:
What makes this book stand out for me, Scott and Clark put their hearts and souls into this book. I certainly know I'll enjoy it. :) They've yet to dissappoint.

Which is very important, I agree. However, I would also like to point out that most of the d20 companies do likewise. I really doubt that Green Ronin, Atlas, and Fantasy Flight put anything less then their undivided love and devotion to gaming in general and d20 in particular into their books.
 

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Nightchilde-2 said:


*sputter*

YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH GOLEMS!

OMG, my party knows me as the Golem King. I love golems. And undead.

Now an undead golem...mmmm. :-)

Heh. My party NEVER trusts me when there's a statue in a room.
 

Tuerny said:


Which is very important, I agree. However, I would also like to point out that most of the d20 companies do likewise. I really doubt that Green Ronin, Atlas, and Fantasy Flight put anything less then their undivided love and devotion to gaming in general and d20 in particular into their books.

True but I guess for me, I have special place in my heart for Necromancer Games, not just because they are under the S&SS banner BUT because I feel they DO live up their motto. In any case, I never have to worry about where to fit Necromancer modules OR their monsters. It all works out for me. This isn't in any way to dengriate such luminary publishers LIKE Green Ronin or MEG, (who I'm glad have Hal Greenberg as their member. Still hold a big place in my heart with Bluffside. :) ) but Necromancer Games and the people there...have a place in my heart few others can top.
 

Nightfall said:


True but I guess for me, I have special place in my heart for Necromancer Games, not just because they are under the S&SS banner BUT because I feel they DO live up their motto. In any case, I never have to worry about where to fit Necromancer modules OR their monsters. It all works out for me. This isn't in any way to dengriate such luminary publishers LIKE Green Ronin or MEG, (who I'm glad have Hal Greenberg as their member. Still hold a big place in my heart with Bluffside. :) ) but Necromancer Games and the people there...have a place in my heart few others can top.


Once again, fair enough. Though I am not making light of Necromancer Game's work in any way, shape or form as I believe they do live up to a level of quality within the confines of their stated goals, I am not particularly a fan of 1st edition feel. I much prefer a 3rd edition feel with a spice of more cultural and plotline-specific elements and feel that companies like Green Ronin and Mahalavoc Press cater to my needs a bit more in that area.

But that is one of the advantages of having the d20 system liscense. We can have companies who produce material to suit the needs of a variety of different people.
 

muhcashin said:
I just bought the book and I realized that there are too many Undead or Construct monsters.

Have you seen Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss? It was like the designers couldn't think of any other creatures apart from Outsiders.
 

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FireLance said:


Have you seen Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss? It was like the designers couldn't think of any other creatures apart from Outsiders.

Or that damn book Necromancy: Beyond the Grave by Mongoose Publishing...too many damn undead in that one. :D
 

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