"Monte Cook Presents" Iron Heroes?

[Wormwood]

Monte earned the right to 'brand' himself long ao.

 

[Captain Tagon]

What, we should heap admiration on humble, self-effacing people?

Um, yes.

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

What, we should heap admiration on humble, self-effacing people?

What an odd statement. You don't consider humility a virtue? Not the best way to get heaps-o'-cash, naturally, but certainly worthy of admiration.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

 

[Captain Tagon]

What an odd statement. You don't consider humility a virtue? Not the best way to get heaps-o'-cash, naturally, but certainly worthy of admiration.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

Yes, but you put it much more eloquently.

 

[John Q. Mayhem]

Why thank you

 

[haiiro]

I'm tempted to take a pass on this book for this reason alone, as this kind of needless self-promotion strikes me as exceedingly vulgar ...

From the start, I think Monte has done a good job of trading on his name to generate sales. In the wave of early d20 releases, being one of the designers of 3e helped his work stand out -- and since (IMO) it was excellent material, it sold well both on its own merits and on the cachet of Monte's name.

After buying the first few Malhavoc releases, I knew that I could expect solid, creative rules and interesting ideas from pretty much anything Monte was involved in, so it certainly worked on me.

That said, Mike Mearls is an excellent game designer, and I'd happily buy "Mike Mearls Presents [more or less anything]", because I've been consistently pleased -- and usually thrilled -- with most of Mike's work. I don't really care what Iron Heroes gets called, as long as it's a good book and it helps Malhavoc succeed, so that it can continue to put out other good books!

Out of curiosity, Akrasia, are you also bothered by books like "Gary Gygax's World Builder," a book which (as far as I can tell) Gary was involved in, but was not at all the sole creative force behind? (Not an attack, just a question -- it's the other obvious example of Name + Title I can think of at the moment.)

 

[Felon]

Um, yes.

Well, too-bad. You can't admire them, because you don't know who those nobodies are.

What an odd statement. You don't consider humility a virtue? Not the best way to get heaps-o'-cash, naturally, but certainly worthy of admiration.

No, I don't consider humility a virtue, as I am not a big fan of Orwellian logic. You work your tail off achieving things and then you actively avoid the acknowledgments of your accomplishments. What's to respect? Forfeiting a well-earned benefit is a stupid thing to do. What exactly makes this "certainly worthy of admiration"?

Stand up for what you deserve. Then I'll admire you and you'll deserve that too.

 

[Dr. Strangemonkey]

No, I don't consider humility a virtue, as I am not a big fan of Orwellian logic. You work your tail off achieving things and then you actively avoid the acknowledgments of your accomplishments. Forfeiting what you've earned is a stupid thing to do. What exactly makes this "certainly worthy of admiration"?

Stand up for what you deserve. Then I'll admire you and you'll deserve that too.

I think humility is generally understood as recognizing how much other people had to work their tails off in order for you to accomplish anything.

Not precisely Orwellian.

 

[mearls]

This looks rather vain and crass, IMO.

A bit like posting the same thread to multiple websites is vain and crass, IMO.

 

[Psion]

Why the "Monte Cook Presents" in the title?

Why not just call it "Iron Heroes"?

Isn't Mike Mearls the author?

Is that a bit like "Tom Clancy's Netforce" (not written by Tom Clancy)

Of course, this would be the equivlent of having Netforce written by some other not quite as famous but still somewhat well known author, like Clive Cussler.