Monte Cook reviews 3.5

[BryonD]

No, actually, it's a statement of resignation that I will never convince you of the seemingly self-evident fact that people suffer from and enjoy different circumstances, as well as different values and needs, in their lives.

Well gee. If you had ever made that vague and so obvious as to be meaningless statement, I would agree with you.

But now you are trying to hide your prior claims about the specific hardships of 3.5 behind a amorphous smokescreen of ultra generalities.

And I would think it would also be obvious that I can't compare you to other people in any specific way since I don't have any specific knowledge about you. But I don't need it to know that there are people who are different than you, because all around me I see people who are different from each other, and you can't be the same as all of them.

I have no desire to make you look "so wrong." I have nothing against you at all. The things you say, on the other hand, are not true, and I'm compelled to point that out.

Again, please show me one specific thing I have stated that is wrong. I never asked you to compare specific knowledge about me to anyone else. I stated that any 3E product I have could be had by anyone else. You disputed that claim. Now you are trying to wildly misrepresent what BOTH of us said.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

OK. Here is your edit.

Thank you.

Please connect this to a person's ability or lack thereof to use 3.5 materials to support a 3E game....

I believe I already did this. Using 3.5 materials for a 3e game will take time. I do recall that either you or some other poster has already poo-poohed this idea. But nevertheless the amount of time it takes them to convert will not be (categorically) the same as the time it takes you, either because they have different capacity for doing so or different standards for what kind of job of it they have to do (and I don't mean that to denigrate the kind of job you might do in only a little time, but simply to point out that some DM's are comfortable with very rough notes and others prefer to be highly prepared). And the amount of time they have available is not unlikely to be quite different from what's available to you. Any given person's burden could easily be very different from your own.

Could they change this? Sure, they could quit their job, or their bowling league, or whatever else it is they're spending some of their non-gaming time on. However, that would not change the fact that they would probably be harmed by the need to do so, since they presumably valued that other activity as well.

 

[Emiricol]

Something about a review, I think

wow, what was the topic?


2d6

/ibtl

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Again, please show me one specific thing I have stated that is wrong. I never asked you to compare specific knowledge about me to anyone else.

Yes, actually, you did. You said this:

Come on, just one example of something I have that others can't.

I stated that any 3E product I have could be had by anyone else.

No, actually, what you said was this:

Are you saying I have things that are not available to other people?

And I said this:

Now you are trying to wildly misrepresent what BOTH of us said.

Actually, I think you'll find I'm trying to represent it pretty accurately. It's foolish to do otherwise when it's all down there to be read (or quoted).

 

[BryonD]

I have yet to find any material that on an individual basis is more difficult to convert than it is to write up a 5th level character from scratch (3E or 3.5).

That has nothing to do with my personal ability. If someone finds writing up character harder than I do, they will also find conversion more difficult. If they can write characters more easily, conversion will also be more simple.

But it remains a distinctly easy task.

It seems clear to me that you have the complexity of the revision greatly exagerated in your expectation.

If writing up a L5 character is to difficult for someone, then I am not certain they are a particularly typical example. Rather I would consider them so far from typical as to be extraneous.

 

[BryonD]

Yes, actually, you did. You said this:

And I still await your example showing the error in that statement.

As I said, I believe you have significantly distorted expectations regarding the revision. Thus you are overestimating the "burden".

 

[BiggusGeekus]

anyone have any idea how much profit D&D makes for Hasbro? Is it profitable?

D&D is profitable.

But remember the Pokemon RPG has made WotC more money than all three editions of D&D combined. There is NO compason. the RPG industry is eclipsed by the quilt-making industry.

In other words, D&D has such a low profit margin, that milking it makes little sense. They'd be better off publishing a new version of Risk or Monopoly.

 

[BryonD]

And that statement does not require any knowledge of me.

Becasue there is not one single 3E product out there that I may own that other palyers may not. You can assume I own everything available through any FLGS or only the core stuff. You do not need to know a single thing about me.

 

[WayneLigon]

I just got through reading the article.

Well, well.

I'd put aside any doubts I had, dsregarded the naysayers, and was prepared to plunck down some cash in a week or two.

Not now.

 

[apocalypstick]

let's not forget that the new covers are much cooler than the old ones. especially that DMG cover! can i get a "wow" up in this piece, yo?!