Monty of Dungeon Dudes infuriated at publishers writing own licenses instead of CC – WOTC most permissive

[mamba]

I am pro ORC. If you took someone else's design in order to create your game, you should give back.

I like the flexibility of CC, I rather have them create something they do not share than nothing at all. Neither scenario gets you any new content under ORC

I can understand a publisher releasing an SRD under a license that lets people create content for their game but not a new spinoff game, esp. when you are a small publisher, but I am no fan of virality

 

[Reynard]

I like the flexibility of CC, I rather have them create something they do not share than nothing at all. Neither scenario gets you any new content under ORC

I can understand a publisher releasing an SRD under a license that lets people create content for their game but not a new spinoff game, esp. when you are a small publisher, but I am no fan of virality

That's not the point. If you create a game off 5E (Shadowdark) I think people should be able to build off your derivative mechanics. Full top. You took advantage of an open or free system designed by other people. You should pay it forward.

Just for clarity: I am NOT saying that you should give away your IP or compatibility with your IP for free. That is where something like the ORC license comes in: if it is a mechanic, it is open. It says nothing about your name or trade dress or whatever.

 

[darjr]

I agree. Put your SRDs into CC!

 

[mamba]

That's not the point.

it is not your point, it is mine however

If you create a game off 5E (Shadowdark) I think people should be able to build off your derivative mechanics.

eh, SD has a license that lets you create content for it, I do not see that Kelsey is obligated to also allow the creation of a competing game.

I am also no fan of ToV being based on the CC but releasing its SRD under ORC. You benefited from the freedom the CC has offered, but do not extend it to your own SRD

 

[Scribe]

eh, SD has a license that lets you create content for it, I do not see that Kelsey is obligated to also allow the creation of a competing game.

And...people could literally make their own.

The same content she has access to, we do.

This is why I don't particularly see the argument.

Go forth, make content. If I can, literally anyone can.

 

[mamba]

And...people could literally make their own.

of course they can, but it still is more work to create your own version than to just copy&paste hers

 

[bedir than]

I am pro ORC. If you took someone else's design in order to create your game, you should give back. I HATE that Monte Cook spent 20+ years feeding off the OGL and refused to give a single thing back to the Open Gaming Community.

It's notable that the two largest publishers that use the ORC took someone else's design and then locked it away in the ORC, rather than continuing it in the license it was published under

 

[Deset Gled]

It's absolutely infuriating to me that other publishers are still trying to write their own licenses instead of using the Creative Commons.

I don't share the author's vigor, but I agree this a potentially bad thing.

Licenses get stronger and more reliable as they are tested in court and in commerce. If you write your own license, you also have to enforce it yourself. Which isn't impossible, but significantly lowers the value of even having a license.

It's kinda like the legal version of "too many standards".