Mordenkainen's Mag. Mansion & Bags of Holding

[Cheiromancer]

The discussion of bags of holding, rope tricks, portable holes and so on comes up every now and then, but never seems to amount to much. There doesn't seem to be a coherent way of defining non-dimensional spaces and extra-dimensional spaces or explaining what their interactions would be.

My take would be to allow everything to work normally unless the description of a spell or item specifically states otherwise.

This ruling could be open to possible abuses (spaces within spaces within spaces), but vague threats should discourage your players from experimenting with the combinations and permutations. Or just ask them not to try to break the system.

 

[Kugar]

I love this topic because it reminds me of one of my favorite KoDT plot arcs. Type I, II, and III bags hehe

Kugar

 

[Silver Moon]

I use the mansion, actually having stolen Piratecat's mansion almost verbatim. One restriction I have on mine is that it can only be accessed from the one primary entrance. Clerics can only access their deities through special room in the mansion concerated to access that particular diety and home plane. Thus, a Bag of Holding could be brought into the mansion but not used while in there.

 

[arscott]

There was some mubledy-peg about being able to pull a sphere inside-out via a hole, but you can't do the same thing to a toroid (donut), as a hole cannot pass through another hole.

-blarg

But you can. the inside becomes the new (donut) hole and the (donut hole becomes the inside. It just requires more spacial-visualization gymnastics.

 

[drnuncheon]

But you can. the inside becomes the new (donut) hole and the (donut hole becomes the inside. It just requires more spacial-visualization gymnastics.

I think that any attempted inversion of the torus will wind up with the old hole crammed inside the tube, which doesn't work. The only way you could actually invert it is if you severed the donut, inverted it like a cylinder, and reattached it.

Edit: Or sliced all the way around one edge, like half cutting through a bagel.

J

 

[Piratecat]

I find that keeping track of the "no bag in the rope trick" is just a pain in the butt. Forget it once and you set a bad precedent, enforce it and the group wastes twenty minutes while trying to decide what to do with the bag. I decided that for spell-created extradimensional spaces, bags of holding and the like simply don't function.

A bag of holding into a portable hole (or the like) is a different story, of course.

Here's a question: has anyone had a bad guy attack an object, and destroy a party member's bag of holding as it hangs on their belt?

 

[hong]

Here's a question: has anyone had a bad guy attack an object, and destroy a party member's bag of holding as it hangs on their belt?

That's why I always keep my bag of holding safe in my pants, instead of hanging around on the outside for the whole world to see.


Hong "ouch!" Ooi

 

[Piratecat]

Is that what you're calling your underwear nowadays?

 

[hong]

Is that what you're calling your underwear nowadays?

Well, you know, might as well put that 250 cubic feet of space to good use.


Hong "not that I'm bragging or anything" Ooi

 

[kigmatzomat]

Well, you know, might as well put that 250 cubic feet of space to good use.
Hong "not that I'm bragging or anything" Ooi

Hmmm, this sounds dangerously close to the conversation had while discussing Pants of Deep Pockets.....