More domain spells?

[SheepLord]

I love the fact that any caster may memorize or cast spells of a lower level in place of higher level slots.

Example: A sorcerer casting his fireball (3rd level slot) instead of scrying (4th level slot). Or a wizard memorizing a few more Summon Monster VII (7th level spell) to summon up a horde instead of all his 8th level spells.

How does exchanging upper level slots for lower level spells come into play with cleric domain spells? If I have the trickery domain, I can cast invis as a 2nd level domain spell.

Can I memorize more invis spells instead of some of my 3rd level spells, or can I only memorize one more invis for my 3rd level domain spell? Or can domain spells be played with this option at all?

Free domain spell hint: Have clerics make scrolls with their domain spells. Wizards cannot cast the divine versions of these spells! Very frustrating for the "scroll" class.

 

[mmu1]

Free domain spell hint: Have clerics make scrolls with their domain spells. Wizards cannot cast the divine versions of these spells! Very frustrating for the "scroll" class.

That is incorrect. Whether the spell was created by a divine or arcane caster, the only thing that determines if you can cast it is whether you have it on your spell list or not.

And as far as the domain spells are concerned, I'm pretty sure you're limited to memorizing your domain spells for that level - and if the rules don't explicitly say so, I think you should be, if only so that you have to get creative with what your deity grants you.

 

[las]

Sorry to say this but there are divin and arcane vershens of each spell thats why clirics and use bards cure spells.

 

[mmu1]

Sorry to say this but there are divin and arcane vershens of each spell thats why clirics and use bards cure spells.

Nope. While there are some spells that only appear on divine or arcane spell lists, there is no such thing as inherently divine or arcane spells - only divine or arcane casters. If a cleric somehow gets the ability to cast magic missile (for example, as a domain spell), then that particular magic missile is a divine spell when he casts it. If he then sets in down on a scroll, any wizard or sorcerer will be able to cast it, and when they do so, it'll be an arcane spell.

 

[Chun-tzu]

There are 3 requirements for casting a spell from a scroll (see DMG, page 203):

1. The spell must be the correct type, arcane or divine. Arcane spellcasters cannot cast from divine scrolls, and vice versa. Clerics create divine scrolls, wizards create arcane ones.
2. The user must have the spell on her class list.
3. The user must have the requisite ability score (Int for Wizards, Wis for Clerics, Cha for Sorcerers).

So, a cleric with True Strike from the Elf domain will piss off both clerics and wizards, as only divine casters with True Strike on their divine spell list will be able to use the scroll.

 

[mmu1]

Hmm... Fair enough, my bad.

 

[SheepLord]

Thank you for the support, Chun-tzu. I know I was right. I just wish more often people actually understood the rules before they say others are wrong on these boards. It causes alot of confusion.



Back to my orginal question, I think they clerics are limited to the allowed number of domain spells as well, but I cannot find this limitation any where. Well, as far as preparing lower level spells in higher level slots.Some of the domain spells are decent choices.

Also, if you apply a metamagic feat to your prepared domain spells, do you take up a higher domain slot? Hum, domain slots, is that what they actually are?

 

[Chun-tzu]

Thank you for the support, Chun-tzu. I know I was right. I just wish more often people actually understood the rules before they say others are wrong on these boards. It causes alot of confusion.

You're welcome. But to be honest, after mmu1 said that, I thought he was right. But I checked my book for confirmation. A lot of posters post from work, so they can't check their books as easily as I can.

Back to my orginal question, I think they clerics are limited to the allowed number of domain spells as well, but I cannot find this limitation any where.

Yes, they are. Look under "Deity, Domains, and Domain Spells" at the top of page 32. "If a domain spell is not on the Cleric Spells list, a cleric can only prepare it in his domain slot." So, yeah, usually-arcane spells can only be prepared in domain spell slots.

Well, as far as preparing lower level spells in higher level slots.Some of the domain spells are decent choices.

I thought clerics could do this, but I'm not finding that in the text, either. Perhaps someone else knows the answer to this.

Also, if you apply a metamagic feat to your prepared domain spells, do you take up a higher domain slot? Hum, domain slots, is that what they actually are?

Applying metamagic feats would allow you to cast the domain spell in a higher slot, as well.