Morpheus and DnD

gregweller said:
And, of course, it is still legal to walk into any public library in the country and check out a book you don't own, read it, take it back and then not buy the book because you already read it. For instance, I'm reading this book right now, called 'Cultivating Delight'. I first heard about it on NPR and placed a hold on it in our library's OPAC (in library-speak an Online Public Access Catalog). I did note that we had only one copy of it. Several people had read it before me, and then I got it in a couple of weeks. As I said, I'm now reading it and I'll return it so a number of other people will read it without buyng it. There is not a whole lot of difference between that and a file-sharing service like Nutella, Morpheus or Kazaa. I would argue that the library interloan service Worldcat (which I'm sure Eric is familiar with), is perhaps the original online file sharing service. I remember a stink a couple of years ago, where a group of housewives in Tenn. were threatened with lawsuits because they were scanning and sharing files of a knitting magazine. They were stunned because they said that this was something they always did--only that they would hand it to the neighbor next door instead of emailing it. I'm sorry, but I just refuse to get all upset about this.

Except, Greg, that the library paid for the book, and the contract the book was sold under included the right to let other people read the book. What you propose is for the library to buy one book, then let anyone photocopy it.

To make Napster, et al, work like libraries, anyone who uploads a copy of a song must also upload a certain amount of money. Each time the work is downloaded, the money supply is depleted as it is paid to the artists. When the money is totally gone, the file is deleted. Anyone who wishes to could put in more money, allowing more people to download the song.

Of course, those who get on their high horses about "sharing" tend to jump off the minute that it costs THEM something to "share".

The real issue, though, is respect for the creators. The pro-theft people on this list are, basically, crapping on the people who make the works they're stealing. Technological and legal solutions won't work. What is needed is a cultural shift, to the point where taking work without compensating the creators is viewed in the same way as kicking cripples or pissing in the streets, as something civilized people Just Don't Do.

(Anyone who says, "Well, the fascist corps ripped me off!" -- you are free to never give them another dime. In return, you don't get their output. If it's not good enough to pay for, it's not good enough to steal -- in the real world, people steal stuff because it's worth so much, it's worth risking jail. No one steals crap. The fact you're willing to steal it demonstrates that it is, in fact, worth your money.)
 

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The Oracle said:
As long as there are copy machines and the internet, there will be sharing.

Point a:"Sharing" means all parties are voluntary participants. Is it "sharing" when I mug you and take your wallet? Might I suggest you do the following:
1)Buy twenty copies of the D&D 3e PHB from your FLGS.
2)Post a notice here saying that you will send a copy to each of the first 20 people to ask for it.

THEN, you will be "sharing".

Point b:"As long as there are guns, knives, or fists, there will be murder. Thus, anyone who whines about it or tells people 'killing is wrong' is just a loser. No one is going to not kill just because they were told it was wrong, and there's always been and always will be killings, so why worry about it?"

(Expected response"But I'm not killing anyone! This isn't a valid comparison!". Except, of course, that it IS a valid comparison, but you lack the ethical maturity to understand WHY. Someday, perhaps, you will.)
 

anyway, this is all in fact academic. the law is pretty clear. if you want to break the law more power to you, but don't bother trying to justify yourself.
 

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Lizard said:

(Anyone who says, "Well, the fascist corps ripped me off!" -- you are free to never give them another dime. In return, you don't get their output. If it's not good enough to pay for, it's not good enough to steal -- in the real world, people steal stuff because it's worth so much, it's worth risking jail. No one steals crap. The fact you're willing to steal it demonstrates that it is, in fact, worth your money.)

So its okay to get sucked into spending $80 for a heap of manure that only has one hour of gameplay and then you can toss it in the bin afterwards?

I think not

If the 'fascist corps' can steal my money that way then i can rip off thier work...see it for the miserable pile of horse manure that it is and gladly dlete it afterwards ;)

You obviously havent spent any money on worthless crap...


Harlequin

Hard Core Borrower ;)
 


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Harlequin said:


So its okay to get sucked into spending $80 for a heap of manure that only has one hour of gameplay and then you can toss it in the bin afterwards?

I think not


Yes, it is okay AND perfectly legal! We have a free market economy, perhaps you've heard of it? Compaines make products and stand by them, if they are of consistently poor quality then you simply stop buying the products.

I have purchased a ton of piss-poor RPG games for the PC of late. My recourse was to return it to EB and exchange it for something else. Realize that you do have options other than stealing.
 

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So whats the differnece between me dloading a game playing it and then deleting it afterwards

and you buying a game from EB playing it and then returning it for your money back?

Trying to justify this is pointless...

Who really cares...
What really makes me laugh are the people that stand up for these companies that take advantage of consumers with these practices...

lets suck in the public to buy our crap
take them for every dollar

but if someone dloads our crap for free...lets cry poor

HA HA

I have no sympathy for these types of companies

I just really dont understand the loyalty some people have to these.... *Edited* ;)


Harlequin
 


Wow, I'm almost late :)
Now, whwere's KDLadage? ;)

As to why you shouldn't DL a copy of a product you own:
Because the propagation of copyrighted material is illegal, and you are participating in an illegal action.

It's like buying stolen goods. You get illegal products. By making the theft/piracy worthwile, you instigate further similar behavior.

Berandor
 

Legality Itself Is Irrelevant

The law doesn't matter unless and until you get busted. Smoke pot, kill people, pirate MP3s and drive the wrong way on a one way street all you want: until you're busted, the laws on the books don't mean a damned thing. If you're sufficiently rich or connected, even that is just an inconvience most of the time.

I use a Gnutilla client. I see the D&D and D20 materials there, but I choose not to download them because I don't trust that they are worth the time and money required to acquire them and print them. At present, it's usually easier and cheaper to buy the books.

This is not so for music. The RIAA enforces a hideous markup on CDs to the tune of being over 1000% the cost of production, and that is after accounting for the cost of labor (i.e. the artist's work). (Go watch the TLC episode of VH1's Behind The Music sometime and see for yourself how bad it is for both musicians and music lovers.) So I gladly and gleefully search for what I want to hear online. As my primary interest--anime soundtracks--are either prohibitively expensive or unavailable through normal channels, using a P2P network is the only viable option. Make it so that buying CDs is easier and cheaper than downloading them and burning tunes to disk, and I'll do that instead. Until then, if I buy CDs at all I buy them used.

Oh, and I don't care if it's legal or not. Legality isn't morality.
 

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