MotW: Behold, I am the Elf/Dwarf, with a Prc at 2nd level!

[BlindKobold]

Isn't Great Fortitude one of the fighter bonus feats? If so, couldn't a first level human fighter qualify?

Human bonus Feat - Lightening Reflexes
1st Level Feat - Iron Will
Fighter Bonus Feat - Great Fortitude

 

[wolff96]

Quick off the line PrC

Isn't Great Fortitude one of the fighter bonus feats? If so, couldn't a first level human fighter qualify?

Human bonus Feat - Lightening Reflexes
1st Level Feat - Iron Will
Fighter Bonus Feat - Great Fortitude

It would work -- but none of the save-affecting feats are on the fighter's bonus feat list.

Therefore, barring any silliness with clerical domains, you still can't get this PrC before 3rd level. Which STILL makes it the world's fastest official PrC.

You know... A MONK forsaker would be just about the most evil thing I can possibly imagine. With the save increases, all their supernatural abilities -- it's not magic after all -- the incredible bonuses to base abilities, improved evasion... Wow. Combine fast healing with a monk's own lay-on-hands ability... Yowch.

I think I may have just created a villain.

 

[sinmissing]

Re: Quick off the line PrC

You know... A MONK forsaker would be just about the most evil thing I can possibly imagine. With the save increases, all their supernatural abilities -- it's not magic after all -- the incredible bonuses to base abilities, improved evasion... Wow. Combine fast healing with a monk's own lay-on-hands ability... Yowch.

From the released SRD:
Supernatural Abilities (Su): Supernatural abilities are magical but not spell-like.

The stunning attack is a supernatural ability.
From 9th level on, the monk's running ability is actually a supernatural ability.
Wholeness of body is a supernatural ability.
Ki strike is a supernatural ability.
Diamond body is a supernatural ability.
Abundant Step: <snip> This is a spell-like ability
Quivering palm is a supernatural ability.
Empty body is a supernatural ability.


Looks like you would keep the Wisdom bonus to AC. (very nice)
But the Barbarian or Fighter (or a combination of both) would be the best, simply because your going to want the highest BAB possible.

I want to add that the exact description of the special prerequisite is "He must also sell or give away all his magic items (including magic weapons, armor, and potions) and renounce the use of any spellcasting and spell-like abilities he previously used."

So, going be the exact verbage, supernatural abilities are not specifically mentioned, but I would think that they are included. That's just my two cents. . .

 

[Morose]

The Fighter/Barbarian/Forsaker is much nastier than a Monk/Forsaker IMHO. Rage becomes HUGE when you are depending solely upon your natural stats. Of course, if you're just going for an uber defensive character, the Monk might have an edge as you could ignore getting good strength and just concentrate on Con, Dex, and Wis. Still not as uber as a Fighter/Barb though as you can just concentrate on raising Str and Con with them which I think would end up being much more effective.

Coolest thing about a Barbarian Forsaker? The +4 Con bonus offsets your -2AC penalty when raging once you get the nifty bonus to your Naural amor equal to your Con bonus.

 

[sinmissing]

Coolest thing about a Barbarian Forsaker? The +4 Con bonus offsets your -2AC penalty when raging once you get the nifty bonus to your Naural amor equal to your Con bonus.

Nice catch.

 

[wolff96]

Monk/Forsaker

Those are, indeed, supernatural abilities, Sinmissing.

I can certainly see where you would rule against most of a monk's abilities being viable once he went to the Forsaker path.

I, personally, would rule exactly the opposite though. The monk class is all about developing your inner strength and ability -- becoming the ultimate possible example of your race. Most of the inherent abilities of the monk are developed to a level that is truly beyond what an untrained individual could accomplish naturally: by definition, supernatural. (Especially since a monk with 10 levels of Forsaker could not develop some of the really silly abilities like Tongue of the Sun and Moon and Empty Body).

That's my opinion. Your opinion makes just as much sense from a literal interpretation. So unless they come out with errata for the book, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

And yes, I was thinking of survivability and self-sufficiency rather than maximum combat output. A fighter or (even better) a barbarian would make the most of the class offensively.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I can't imagine any HUMAN character becoming a cleric of the ideals of drow and dwarf.

That is, of course, your prerogative as a DM

I also can't imagine a cleric forsaking his abilities (which are to be used promoting his deity, after all) and being allowed to continue as a member of the priesthood.

That's the thing - an unaffiliate cleric has no deity.

-Hyp.

 

[dream spawn]

I don't have my books in front of me, but from memory wouldn't a Barbarian/Forsaker/Frenzied Berserker be quite gross?

 

[Morose]

Why yes dream spawn... yes he would. You just nailed my latest character design.

+10 Strength when raging and frenzied. Of course, you better make sure you find a way to raise those Will saves, or you'll be hacking your friends to pieces if you can't stop the frenzy after the baddies are all dead.

 

[dream spawn]

Will saves? Bah.... after a few times the party will just learn to hide when all of the enemies are dead.