My ranger Poll results: See last post. (was beating the Ranger with a better stick)
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Kaiyosama
First Post
5 - 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
4 - 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
5 - 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
5 - 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
1 - 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
5 - 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
2 - 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
4 - 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
5 - 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
3 - 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5 - 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4 - 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
4 - 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
5 - 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
5 - 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
1 - 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
5 - 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
2 - 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
4 - 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
5 - 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
3 - 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5 - 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4 - 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
Tyberious Funk
First Post
Ok, I'll play...
5- 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
5- 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
5- 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
3- 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
3- 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1- 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
4- 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
3- 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
1- 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5- 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5- 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4- 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
In short, more Aragorns a less Drizzts.
5- 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
5- 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
5- 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
3- 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
3- 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1- 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
4- 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
3- 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
1- 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5- 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5- 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4- 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
In short, more Aragorns a less Drizzts.
pogre
Legend
5- 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
5- 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
5- 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
2- 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
2- 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1- 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
4- 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
3- 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
1- 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5- 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5- 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4- 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
5- 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
5- 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
2- 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
2- 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1- 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
4- 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
3- 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
1- 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5- 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5- 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4- 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
Re: Help me beat the Ranger's dead horse with a better stick!
5 - 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
5 - 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
4 - 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
5 - 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
5 - 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1 - 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
5 - 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
2 - 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
3 - 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5 - 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5 - 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
5 - 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
5 - 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
5 - 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
4 - 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
5 - 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
5 - 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1 - 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
5 - 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
2 - 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
3 - 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5 - 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5 - 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
5 - 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
GuardianLurker
Adventurer
Re: Help me beat the Ranger's dead horse with a better stick!
[5] 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
[4] 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
[3] 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
[2] 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
[1] 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
[2] 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
[4] 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
[3] 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
[2] 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
[3] 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
[3] 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
[4] 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
[5] 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
[4] 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
[3] 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
[2] 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
[1] 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
[2] 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
[4] 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
[3] 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
[2] 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
[3] 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
[3] 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
[4] 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
5-1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
3-2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
3-3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
*-4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
4-5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
3-6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
4-7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
4-8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
4-9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
3-10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
3-11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4-12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
*The only real problem I have with the class is the assumption that ambidexterity and two-weapon fighting is crucial to its feel. I also don't like that it is a common class for players to take one level in, just to get a motherload of feats, but other classes also suffer from this. I wouldn't mind bonus combat feats in general. So my answer to this is 3 for combat feats in general, 1 for 2WF/Ambidex.
3-2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
3-3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
*-4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
4-5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
3-6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
4-7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
4-8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
4-9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
3-10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
3-11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
4-12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
*The only real problem I have with the class is the assumption that ambidexterity and two-weapon fighting is crucial to its feel. I also don't like that it is a common class for players to take one level in, just to get a motherload of feats, but other classes also suffer from this. I wouldn't mind bonus combat feats in general. So my answer to this is 3 for combat feats in general, 1 for 2WF/Ambidex.
haiiro
First Post
Here's mine:
5 -- 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
4 -- 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
3 -- 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
4 -- 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
4 -- 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1 -- 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
2 -- 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
4 -- 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
4 -- 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5 -- 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5 -- 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
5 -- 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
My votes are based on viewing the ranger as a combination of fighter and rogue, with a strong wilderness aspect to set him apart. The closest class for comparison is the ninja from Rokugan (which I think is a solid, balanced class) -- great in combat, but also somewhat fragile, and gets skills and abilities related to subterfuge -- it winds up being a hybrid of fighter and rogue as well, but with enough of a twist to make it a core class.
The assumptions built into the class at the moment are too specific for my tastes -- TWF, spellcasting and favored enemies being the biggies -- but I think there's a definite niche for the ranger.
OOC, why are there no questions related to favored enemies?
I think that the approach you're taking to this topic is an excellent one, BTW.
Edit: clarifications.
5 -- 1)The ranger needs to be able to track from first level onwards, hence needs it as a bonus feat.
4 -- 2)The Ranger should have a +1 BAB/Level
3 -- 3)The ranger, being a rugged outdoorsman needs at least a d10 hitdie.
4 -- 4)The ranger needs extra feats that help him in combat, such as Point blank shot or Two Weapon Fighting
4 -- 5)Provided the ranger needs the feats discussed in 4, he needs them in the first 3 levels
1 -- 6)The ranger needs to be able to cast some divine spells (disregard the spell Animal friendship for this question)
2 -- 7)The ranger needs 6 skill points per level to fulfill his role
4 -- 8)The ranger needs a good reflex save
4 -- 9)The ranger needs to be able to acquire an animal companion
5 -- 10)The ranger must not have multiclass restrictions
5 -- 11)The ranger needs to be a core class, as opposed to being a prestige class
5 -- 12)The ranger needs to either be forced or encouraged to wear light armour
My votes are based on viewing the ranger as a combination of fighter and rogue, with a strong wilderness aspect to set him apart. The closest class for comparison is the ninja from Rokugan (which I think is a solid, balanced class) -- great in combat, but also somewhat fragile, and gets skills and abilities related to subterfuge -- it winds up being a hybrid of fighter and rogue as well, but with enough of a twist to make it a core class.
The assumptions built into the class at the moment are too specific for my tastes -- TWF, spellcasting and favored enemies being the biggies -- but I think there's a definite niche for the ranger.
OOC, why are there no questions related to favored enemies?
I think that the approach you're taking to this topic is an excellent one, BTW.
Edit: clarifications.
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CRGreathouse
Community Supporter
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