Mystic Theurge PrC - They've got to be kidding!

[Wormwood]

Well this either is or isn't a new edition. Wotc tells us it isn't, so to me that says everything ought to be more or less compatible.

I agree, but just may be on the 'less compatible' side of things.

 

[Marshall]

While were off topic...

a) there's a lot of debate about whether that's actually a change.

True. I come down firmly on the fence(ouch!) about that. It seems to me that a couple of Sage Advice/FAQ items cause a great deal of confusion about how MM feats interact.

b) even if it is...Enhance is better if you can't stack Empower - that is, it becomes useful at a much lower level - because you can stack Enhance no matter how you interpret the rules, and it boosts Empower, Maximize and Intensify as well.

J

Oh yeah! My first response when I saw the feat was that they finally gave up on the idiotic feat self-stacking.

Then Andy came along and said feats still self-stack, then It became worthless, then he came back and said ENHANCE affects other MM feats, then......

 

[WizarDru]

I wouldn't bother reading most of the thread. Srutinan seems to have taken great pains to leave most of the actual information out of the thread, instead filling it with his own opinions.

Yeah, I noted that. Absolutely no discussion of what they faced, and it was clear that the test was pretty flawed from the start. Especially when I read about one of the characters casting Dimension Door, and then casting Blade Barrier right after. Or, to quote the SRD:

After using this spell, the character can’t take any other actions until the character's next turn.

Seeing someone brag about that kind of gaffe, I'm not going to give too much mindshare to the rest of the 'test'. What I am curious about (since IDHMBIFOM), is what Reactive Counterspell does, and why it's so powerful (since I don't use any of the FR material). Does it let you cast counterspells as a free action?

 

[drnuncheon]

What I am curious about (since IDHMBIFOM), is what Reactive Counterspell does, and why it's so powerful (since I don't use any of the FR material). Does it let you cast counterspells as a free action?

No (you can only do a free action on your turn, anyway) - it lets you give up your next action to cast a counterspell now (without a readied action).

J
whose Champions-trained mind keeps thinking 'abort to Counterspell'

 

[green slime]

Doesn't seem very powerful to me...

I guess the guy had never been targetted by two Dispel Magics in one round...

Or that he didn't mind just sitting around impressing the guards with his ability to fend off targetted dispels, and simultaneously suffer from area dispels, Antimagic Shield or any other standard counter-buff...

 

[WizarDru]

Doesn't seem very powerful to me...

I guess the guy had never been targetted by two Dispel Magics in one round...

They mention in the thread that no one bothered using Dispel Magics, as they weren't very useful.

[cough]


Yeah.


Except for them, apparently. They also discuss that the BBEG's being equipped to deal with enemy spellcasters with Dispel wands or the like was tantamount to DM cheating.

Oh, and in regards to Reactive Counterspell. Yee-ikes. Of course, that invalidates their strategy even more, since the 3.5 version of haste no longer grants an additional action, making this RC much more costly.

My main question had been concerned with if they had had access to a 3.5 playtest, and it's now obvious they didn't. And since they aren't quite that clear on 3.0's rules, and weren't working with many of 3.5s new rules, it's pretty obvious the 'test' was anything but.

 

[green slime]

Well, the boots of haste were still granting an extra action... something he admits, because he says that is why he had 3 (three!) pairs.

Reactive counterspell, move, and attack.
or
True strike, move, attack

To me, it remains to be seen whether those boots are still that good. I doubt it somehow.

 

[WizarDru]

Well, the boots of haste were still granting an extra action... something he admits, because he says that is why he had 3 (three!) pairs.

Reactive counterspell, move, and attack.
or
True strike, move, attack

To me, it remains to be seen whether those boots are still that good. I doubt it somehow.

Right, but see here's the thing: he's using mostly 3.0 equipment, classes and spells to judge a 3.5 PrC out of context, and proclaiming it broken. We have no idea what the change to haste will do to those boots, but I'm guessing it'll do something similar to what the 3.5 haste does, or they'll become much more expensive. Since I didn't get that far in the thread, I assume you meant he was wearing one pair and had two in reserve, right? Because if you actually mean he was wearing three pairs at once....

 

[green slime]

He admits to changing pairs...

But it seems like an obvious way to get around what was one of the major issues with 3e... Makes you sure wonder about the capacilities of the DM(s)... That and the admited stacking gaffs. SO with that sorted out, I can't say I'm impressed. I haven't seen him do anything a SC Wizard or Cleric couldn't.

You wonder if the guy has ever even tried to play a 15th level cleric...

 

[Marshall]

He admits to changing pairs...

But it seems like an obvious way to get around what was one of the major issues with 3e... Makes you sure wonder about the capacilities of the DM(s)... That and the admited stacking gaffs. SO with that sorted out, I can't say I'm impressed. I haven't seen him do anything a SC Wizard or Cleric couldn't.

You wonder if the guy has ever even tried to play a 15th level cleric...

If you pick around enough you find the Stats and spell-list for Mr Bufftastic. When you put them together you find out he can USE ALL HIS SPELLS to turn into a FTR without the feats. If I want a 15th level FTR, I wont take MT.