Necromancer Games NOT going with current GSL.

[scruffygrognard]

Of course, there are also a whole lot of people, myself being just one, whose list is exactly the opposite.

Me too.

 

[radferth]

It was (and still is) my understanding that part of the intent of the GSL was to more or less limit 3pps to modules only, no alternate setting or splatbooks. So Green Ronin and folks wanting to make gun-totin' rangers not signing on means the GSL is working as intended. Paizo and Necromancer not making modules, however, is not what I understood they were shooting for. I'd assume various folks within WotC are delighted or appalled by this development. As someone who plays C&C or 3E, I'm better served by 3pps not switching to 4E. It does seem a shame that P and N feel they can't make that choice, especially since (IMHO) WotC doesn't have the best track record on making good adventures.

 

[DaveMage]

He's going to find he's got choice.....in the change from 1E to 2E, and 2E to 3E, I don't think that same type of choice was available. Yes, there were other gaming companies out there, and other game systems...but there was only one D&D.

Well, through 1E and 2E, there was always Basic D&D that (kind of) competed with AD&D (1 and 2), so there *were* two versions of D&D being supported in the past. They were just put out by the same company.

 

[boerngrim]

I'll tack on my "bought an issue of dragon magazine blindly, then the boxed set to see what I had bought..."

Bought the boxed set at Zayre's, a department store long since deceased.

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[Philotomy Jurament]

My list:

Pied Piper Publishing (1e adventures)
Troll Lord Games (Castle Zagyg C&C stuff)
Goodman Games (1e adventures)
Expeditious Retreat Press (OSRIC/1e adventures)
Goblinoid Games (Mutant Future)
Mongoose (Traveller)
First Edition Society (Monsters of Myth)
Mythmere Games (Swords & Wizardy (white box OD&D clone) stuff, forthcoming Knockspell magazine)
Ignatius Umlaut (Fight On!)
Adventure Games Publishing (C&C Wilderlands stuff)

 

[The Little Raven]

It was (and still is) my understanding that part of the intent of the GSL was to more or less limit 3pps to modules only, no alternate setting or splatbooks.

This isn't true. The intent of the GSL is to allow companies to createe supplements that require the customer to own the D&D 4th Edition core books in order to use, rather than the OGL's allowance of wholesale reprinting of the core system (thus removing the need to own D&D to get use from OGL supplements).

If the intent was to prevent settings and splatbooks, then the SRD would not allow you to extend existing materials and create new classes, races, powers, rituals, and the ilk, since all you need to create adventures would be the monster rules and the terrain rules.

I've been in talks with people at WotC about the GSL and what it means for campaign settings, as I've been developing one to release for 4e. I can't talk about any real details, but I can say that their intent is far from preventing campaign settings and splatbooks.

 

[Voadam]

I think you're taking a supportable position and argument (The GSL is not as open as the OGL) and spinning it into an unsupported and illogical conclusion (WotC wants to put companies out of business). If there was no GSL it would be a more supported position, but still not actively show 'WotC wants to put companies out of business.

For that matter, where's the outrage and arguments aimed at every company in the industry that doesn't have an open license for their systems? Which also includes companies that use the OGL and have developed products which have their own restrictive licenses (some of which more limited than the GSL).

You can use their OGL systems without using their brand licenses. If their systems are under the OGL then they do have an open license for using the system.

Since you can use their systems without the brand license I don't see any reason for outrage.

Just like you could use the OGL without the d20 STL.

The GSL has no comparable OGL option for its system rules without the restrictions and terms of the GSL.

 

[Sunderstone]

There are a lot of people in the same boat as you. A whole lot of people.
Of course, there are also a whole lot of people, myself being just one, whose list is exactly the opposite.

Applies to myself as well.

In the past few weeks alone Ive picked up at least 15 more 3.5 DCCs both from goodman and my local FLGS, and some Green Ronin Freeport stuff. Im also still hunting for RA: Reloaded and DCC 35 (which I want for collection sake).

Paizo has all my gaming money so atm. I own everything they've made so far concerning Pathfinder/Gamemastery and I'm currently a dual subscriber of the Modules and AP line. I know I probably wont play it all, but I like the setting and the direction the rules are heading.

Wizards of the Coast gets $0 atm from me.

 

[Darrin Drader]

Beyond this, I am conjecturing that Wizards may attempt to lure the best writers away from Paizo and NG. This would be a bad thing, IMO, for a variety of reasons, chief among which is the editorial freedom afforded by publishing at Paizo or NG. RPGeniuses such as Clark or Logue or Baur (or Marmell or Drader for that matter) should be allowed as much creative freedom as possible, IMO. Pure speculation on my part, but the rationale seems within the realm of possibility (or at least her majesty's Britannia).

This isn't really something worth worrying about too much since it already happens. Most freelancers take the work where they can find it, and a good number of writers who primarily write for Paizo have also worked for WotC and vice versa. Neither company has a shortage of writers in their stable, and since it's all contract work, neither company can control who else their freelancers work for.

My choice to stop supporting Wizards has everything to do with two things: the GSL and the simple fact that 4E doesn't appeal to me personally. Not every freelancer (most actually) are not taking such a rigid stance.

 

[MrGrenadine]

Man, this sucks. I really hope Clark and the Necro guys can get the GSL issues worked out and be able to print 4e materials. I love Necro's previous stuff, but I have absoultely NO interest in Pathfinder- its just more broken than 3.5 in all the same areas, and adds more problems. So if they go only the Pathfinder route, they have lost me as a customer, and I daresay, a large portion of the current D&D players.

You may 'daresay', but unless you've polled most of the current D&D players, you can't really say if Paizo has lost them as customers. I for one, and one of the weekly groups I play with, love Pathfinder.

Not that I wouldn't play 4e, mind you. But I play in 3 weekly groups, and only one is considering the switch, and that one only at some point down the road.

MrG