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redwing00 said:
I need some links or just quotes of famous philosophers such as Nietzche (sp?), Socrates, etc. on the subject of the human nature and a natural inclination to become savages. P.S. I'm not trying to make you do my dirty work, I just can't seem to find any one the subject at hand through my searches.

These can also be from psychologists or possibly scientists.

You need some Thoreau (who also works well for Druidic and CG/CN philosophers). You might also look into Carl Jung. He had a lot of interesting things to say on individualism versus collectivism.

First a few Thoreau links:

http://www.ecotopia.org/ehof/thoreau/extracts.html
http://www.psymon.com/walden/quotes.html
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Henry_David_Thoreau/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=thoreau+quotes&btnG=Google+Search

Now a few quotes (all Thoreau; some from those pages, some I've collected):

Most of the luxuries and many of the so-called comforts of life are not only not indispensable, but positive hindrances to the elevation of mankind.

Wherever a man goes, men will pursue him and paw him with their dirty institutions, and, if they can, constrain him to belong to their desperate oddfellow society.

Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it.

In wildness is the preservation of the world.

I would not have every man, or every part of a man, cultivated, any more than I would have every acre of earth cultivated: part will be tillage, but the greater part will be meadow and forest, not only serving an immediate use, but preparing a mould against a distant future, by the annual decay of the vegetation it supports.

The millions are awake enough for physical labor; but only one in a million is awake enough for effective intellectual exertion, only one in a hundred million to poetic or divine life. To be awake is to be alive. I have never yet met a man who was quite awake. How could I have looked him in the face?

The greatest part of what my neighbors call good I believe in my soul to be bad, and if I repent anything, it is very likely to be my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?

Certainly no nation that lived simply in all respects, that is, no nation of philosophers, would commit so great a blunder as to use the labor of animals. True, there never was and is not likely soon to be a nation of philosophers, nor am I certain that it is desireable that there should be.

I believe in the forest, and in the meadow, and in the night in which the corn grows.

A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.

But I would say to my fellows, once and for all, as long as possible live free and uncommitted. It makes but little difference whether you are committed to a farm or the county jail.

The morning wind forever blows, the poem of creation is uninterrupted; but few are the ears that hear it.
 

Belegbeth said:
This is incorrect. The correct expression is: "Reason is the slave of the passions."
And, more importantly, this is a quote from DAVID HUME.
The view it expresses is incompatible with Aristotle's philosophy.
And what is more, it's incomplete. Hume writes that reason is and ought to be the slave of the passions. Thus, it ups the ante -- it not only describes the fact of the matter, but makes it into a normative principle -- that's what reason is for, to serve the passions. For Hume, morality is rooted in habit and affection.
 
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notjer said:
Try Taoismen, thats a very.... interestning way of it...
I agree, Taoism is interesting to say the least. I like it :) Pick up the Tao Teh Ching sometime, it's a good read and has its own unique perspective to offer.
 

You may also want to check into psychologists like R.D. Liang and others from the existential movement. Their stance, in a watered-down nutshell, is that all human beings are "well-adjusted". It's the world around them that's crazy and FUBAR, and any psychological reaction to that world is a valid one that should be examined on an individual basis, not based on some standard of "normal". Basically, in their eyes, the schizophrenic is just as "normal" as the successful businessperson. They simply differ in how they've reacted to a really messed-up world.


- Jason
 


Belegbeth said:
This is incorrect. The correct expression is: "Reason is the slave of the passions."
And, more importantly, this is a quote from DAVID HUME.
The view it expresses is incompatible with Aristotle's philosophy.
Hmm. I seems I have made weeee little mistake in my Ethics notes. But the point still gets across, no matter who says it. :\
 

"Nothing is more easily broken than a man's word." --Thomas Hobbes

"I therefore know of no greater absurdity than that absurdity which characterizes almost all metaphysical systems: that of explaining evil as something negative. For evil is precisely that which is positive, that which makes itself palpable; and good, on the other hand, i.e. all happiness and all gratification, is that which is negative, the mere abolition of a desire and extinction of a pain." --Arthur Schopenhauer

"People are less concerned with offending a man who makes himself loved than one who makes himself feared: the reason is that love is a link of obligation which men, because they are rotten, will break any time they think doing so serves their advantage; but fear involves dread of punishment, from which they can never escape." --Machiavelli
 

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