D&D General Need wheat. Too dangerous. (worldbuilding)

[Chaosmancer]

It would take about 3 hours to plow an acre of land using move earth. The traditional way requires a team of oxen and a full day, so that is a significant improvement. But unless spellcasters are as common as dirt (pun intended), it's not going to have a significant effect on agriculture. Wizards can find more lucrative uses for their time than taking the place of 4 peasant farmers.

This is the reason I rarely fuss about the worldbuilding impact of utility magic--most of it doesn't scale to the extent that would be needed to affect the world. The exceptions generally involve the rich and powerful, because their numbers are small enough to benefit from the similarly small supply of casters. For example, resurrection, healing, and restoration magic means the rich never have to die except of old age. The clone spell makes it possible to overcome even that. Zone of truth changes torture from "mostly pointless sadism" into "highly effective interrogation technique," enabling a powerful surveillance state.

How common are Elves? Variant humans can get the Magic Initiate Feat which gives a cantrip. It is a druid cantrip as well, which means it doesn't need rigorous study, just faith in the power of nature, even worshipping say... a goddess of the harvest? Lots of races get the Druidcraft cantrip, which means it isn't unreasonable to imagine they could instead learn Mold Earth.

I'm not going to say that every farmer should be a magic-user, but it isn't hard to imagine a family of pious farmers getting blessed with this minor magic that makes a BIG difference.

 

[cbwjm]

As much fun as it can be to sort out the whole logistics and population and such to determine how much grain can be produced (I can't be the only one that occasionally does this), I do also like the dungeonworld tags, makes things like trade and such easier as well since you can say Egypt has the tag supply (grain) and Rome has the tag need (grain). Throw on a couple of trade tags for each to show where they are trading and you're done.

 

[Hussar]

Never minding that, how about a Forge Priest as your local blacksmith. A blacksmith as priest is hardly a stretch of the imagination and most communities will have at least one smith. A second level cleric with Forge Domain, can turn any raw materials up to 100 gp into any metal item up to 100 gp in an hour. And can be repeated on a short rest as it uses Channel Divinity.

It's the ultimate in recycling. Bring me anything of equal value and 1 hour later I hand you a completed item up to 100 gp.

Sure, the blacksmith/cleric is still doing the day to day stuff of making horseshoes and whatnot, but, that ability would be huge. And it's not like it's too far out of reach to think that experienced blacksmiths would be 2nd level clerics.

 

[Bohandas]

Crop magic fixes the wheat issue.

 

[S'mon]

Rome had 1 million people who were kept fed by Egypt and the entire north African coast, thanks to the Roman Empire having complete control over them.

And Waterdeep has 2 million inhabitants.

I'm not sure why they added an order of magnitude population to Waterdeep for 3e-4e-5e. I'm sticking with 100,000 or so within the walls, with an agricultural hinterland of 20-30 miles; Goldenfields being on the edge of settled territory. All those Waterdhavian nobles need their landed estates outside the walls. Looks like about 1500 square miles of farmland which at 180/square mile can feed 270,000 people, although the agricultural surplus will be much less. Goldenfields can probably feed another 50,000 with only 5,000 workers. Waterdeep also has fishing fleets, and likely imports some food too.

 

[S'mon]

The people who live in Ravenloft, for the most part, dont think of their world as surreal and inexplicable. For them, it was just as real as the Realms. Scary, maybe, but real. They could do this because the world looked like a real place (albeit one filled with monsters). Making the unreality of the demiplane so very explicit in the new books makes it harder to see it as a place worth saving or even caring about.

Totally agree. I really really hated Curse of Strahd for that reason.

 

[S'mon]

I do think the Princes of the Apocalypse depiction of the Dessarin Valley was silly and the whole thing pretty disappointing. Definitely not Ed Greenwood's fault! In 1e & 2e AIR Red Larch is a substantial well defended town, presumably with its own hinterland of hamlets and farms. 5e basically 'Skyrimmed' it, the way Skyrim turned substantial Elder Scrolls towns like Riverwood into villages to suit the gameplay, so POTA did with Red Larch et al.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Totally agree. I really really hated Curse of Strahd for that reason.

One observation for me with Ravenloft discussions is they often reduce this topic to a binary: all surreal and fake versus super detailed and the counting the grains. My sense from the period where I was most invested in the line, is it was more of a balance. In most of the books, supplements, novels, the people lived in a world that to them was real, it just had a different cosmology and was subject to the whims of the dark powers and the lords (so a certain unreality and dreaminess could creep in; we didn't tend to squint to hard at the logic of whether the homesteads and villages in Tepest had a sustainable ecosystem, but we did expect the people there to act and feel like real people. There was always this argument on the edges, or maybe just a question, of how real it all was (given the premise of the setting). Reading Tapestry of Dark Souls those characters all felt like they inhabited a real place (even if it wasn't a place that attempted to explain population sizes, food sources with anything more than a broad stroke). But I feel like people not being real, or less real than in other worlds is something that worked better in specific domains where that might be a theme (for example a domain with a mad lord).

 

[Faolyn]

Totally agree. I really really hated Curse of Strahd for that reason.

I prefer to run Ravenloft where the PCs are natives, so from that point of view the weirdness is either completely accepted or unable to be seen, because reality rewrites itself. Mind, it'd be a lot more overt now with VGR, but as I see it, that'll just make the players better realize just how deep the dread is.

I've had a ton of problems with CoS myself, and have had to write huge chunks of it, both to make it actually scary (to me, at least) and to remove some of the stupidity. I've grown to accept the souls thing, though. It kind of makes sense to me that the Dark Powers can make people but not actual souls. That's why they draw people in from other worlds--to steal their souls once they die, since it's no fun terrorizing soulless people.

 

[jasper]

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Anyhow, using Town vs Villiage for walled and unwalled in D&D would make a lot of sense.

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Totally disagree. All the charts I have seen have village having a population smaller than a town. Difference for me has always been a town is bigger than a village. And you can add Walled to both village and town.