Need WOTC Offical to deal with the half-elf pregen/Keep of Shadowfell before release.

[jeffhartsell]

I think this possibility might worry me MORE... there's no space so it just gets cut? You've got to redesign your character sheet if you can't fit everything on it, not nerf the character. (or pick a diferent race/class combo that can fit all it's ablilites if you're stuck on the format.)

Agree. That requires an interesting spin... "Due to space limitations we knowingly released an official product that used incorrect rules. Keep playing! -Bill"

That is hopefully, doubtful. I put my guess on number 13, lack of editing.

 

[hennebeck]

How can editting be so poor, if it is?
There are atleast 1000 people here with years of D&D experience who can make a character from scratch using a PHB.
Any one of us would have looked at a half-elf character and the rough draft of the 4e PHB and found these mistakes (if they are mistakes, which I believe they are).
Shouldn't everyone in the office looked this module over, searched it with a fine-toothed comb to make sure the premier product was perfect. Every T should have been crossed and every I dotted. Every one.

sarcasm: My only thought is that they wanted to showcase their DDI so they will have the errata ready and waiting on May 20th. /sarcasm

 

[jeffhartsell]

It is odd to see these errors (if they are) because WOTC had gotten much better at making sure all groups had the most current version of the rules so that they could proof against the current build. That plagued them with 3.0.

Plus not everyone at WOTC is the munchkin rules lawyer that can build an epic 3.5e character from scratch in 30 min that can do 1000 damage a round. And have it accurate down to the last luck bonus.

 

[pukunui]

Plus not everyone at WOTC is the munchkin rules lawyer that can build an epic 3.5e character from scratch in 30 min that can do 1000 damage a round. And have it accurate down to the last luck bonus.

True but you'd think that in the instance of KotS, it would all be correct considering that Mearls was one of the writers (unless, of course, he had nothing to do with the pregens).

I notice that, although Mearls popped into another thread to confirm that Winterhaven was indeed based off the Keep on the Borderlands, he appears to have steered clear of this thread and all the others mentioning the error-riddled pregen characters.

Unless WotC puts up fixed versions of the pregens, I think I'll just wait until my group can make their own characters before running KotS. Maybe I should switch my expedited shipping from KotS to the core rulebook gift set instead ...

 

[jeffhartsell]

I am holding off running the KotS until our group has time to read the books and make our own characters. Savage Tides is still wrapping up.

 

[pukunui]

Has anyone else noticed that the pregens all seem to get a racial feat at 2nd level?

Human wizard: Human Perseverance
Dwarf fighter: Dwarven Weapon Training
Dragonborn paladin: Enlarge Dragon Breath
Halfling rogue: Halfling Agility
Half-elf cleric: Group Insight

 

[keterys]

It's possible they just get a generic feat... and chose to take the racial one.

 

[pukunui]

It's possible they just get a generic feat... and chose to take the racial one.

It's possible but every single one of them has taken a racial feat so I wonder if it's actually a built-in thing.

 

[LightPhoenix]

It's possible but every single one of them has taken a racial feat so I wonder if it's actually a built-in thing.

Possibly, but I think it's more likely they are aiming to showcase a particular part of the system with each level. For the case of the feat at second level, it's the racial feats. Also, when you think about it, aside from rituals, feats are probably the part we know the least about, so perhaps they're trying to save something for the books. We already knew about racial feats, from the excerpts.

 

[sunbear]

How can editting be so poor, if it is?
There are atleast 1000 people here with years of D&D experience who can make a character from scratch using a PHB.
Any one of us would have looked at a half-elf character and the rough draft of the 4e PHB and found these mistakes (if they are mistakes, which I believe they are).
Shouldn't everyone in the office looked this module over, searched it with a fine-toothed comb to make sure the premier product was perfect. Every T should have been crossed and every I dotted. Every one.

QFT

This is very disappointing. If it turns out to be a mistake that is. A bunch of designers seem to think that accurate stat blocks aren't that important. They are very important. Especially in this product. We don't have the rules to fix any potential problems and this is our first impression of the new game. I would like to mention that the occasional grammatical or spelling mistake doesn't bother me in the slightest. But messed up stat blocks are...frustrating.

Can we please get a WoTC confirmation/explanation?