Neutralise Poison

[draco2005]

I need some help in solving this: Can you use Neutralise Poison spell to prevent being poisoned, eventhough you have not been exposed to the poison?
For example: Bob the fighter acts first and the spider acts last. Clara the cleric acts second. Bob asks Clara to help him out by casting a spell to prevent him from the poison of the spider. Clara agrees to help him, but he must delay his action first. So Bob delays his action and Clara the Cleric casts Neutralise Poison on him(Assuming Clara can cast the spell).
Bob then attacks the spider. Now the spider attacks Bob with its bite and claws and all attacks hit. Bob takes the physical damage but not the abilility damage since he is immune to poison, thanks to the Neutralise Poison spell.

Can you use the spell in this fashion? I don't think you can, since the spell requires you to be already exposed to the poison. If you use the spell before being exposed to the poison, there is nothing to be neutralised. I appreciate your help!! Thanks!


Draco...

 

[Len]

It says quite clearly in the spell description:

The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell.

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

From the SRD:

The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell. Unlike with delay poison, such effects aren’t postponed until after the duration —the creature need not make any saves against poison effects applied to it during the length of the spell.

So yes, your scenario would work.

 

[draco2005]

I see! So, in other words, you can apply neosporrin on your skin before getting a burn or other injuries...interesting!!

 

[Len]

No, that will not work. Do not try it! Neutralize Poison is not neosporin. It's a magic spell that instantly neutralizes all poison.

 

[draco2005]

Thanks for the advice!!! You can really abuse the use of this spell if used in this way.
I personally won't allow a player to use it this way. By the way, neosporrin can be considered a magical ointment. "The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell...." only applies if you have been exposed to the poison earlier, and re-exposed to it again at a later time, providing the spell's duration has not expired. That is my interpretation of the spell. The spell description is abit vague in this respect. I guess it is up to the DM to decide on it... I just want to know what others' opinions are...that is all....Thanks!

Draco..

 

[CGoat]

Thanks for the advice!!! You can really abuse the use of this spell if used in this way.
I personally won't allow a player to use it this way. By the way, neosporrin can be considered a magical ointment. "The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell...." only applies if you have been exposed to the poison earlier, and re-exposed to it again at a later time, providing the spell's duration has not expired. That is my interpretation of the spell. The spell description is abit vague in this respect. I guess it is up to the DM to decide on it... I just want to know what others' opinions are...that is all....Thanks!

Draco..

Thanks for the advice????

You didn't absorb any of the advice you were given. You just wanted someone to back up your claim because a player outsmarted you. and when you didn't get it you just went with your own thoughts anyways. What don't you understand about "is immune to ANY poison it is exposed to" If you weren't paying attention Neutralize poison is a 4th level cleric spell 3rd for druid. That means its a fairly powerfull spell. Allow the spell to be used as such. If characters are going to take the spells to prevent some bad effects why won't you let them do it. Would you also deny that cleric from casting deathward because they're going up against some death dealing bodak or something of the like.

Oh... and neosporin is not some Magical ointment. its alchemical ointment. Ok rant over... sorry if I've offended anyone. I've played with a GM that wouldn't let you win. If you cast a spell that would mess up his BBEG he would give it some immunity on the fly. It was very frustrating. Life is too short for Bad gaming.

 

[draco2005]

Actually, I am the player in this case. And I am not asking for anyone to back up my claim.
All I wanted was to see other's interpretations of this spell, nothing more, nothing less.
As we all know, some rules can be read and interpreted in more than one way. Isn't what this board is all about, the disscussion of rules? If I was the DM in this case, I won't allow it to be used in this way. Since I am not the DM, I will do what my DM says...he allows me to use it in this way...which is fine with me.....
I hope you understand my point......

 

[the Jester]

I'm not sure why you think this is overpowered as a preventative measure, nor am I sure why you think the spell is vaguely worded, but hey, that's cool.

By the RAW it immunizes you against poison for the duration.

It's a 3rd/4th level spell. Is that broken for a 3rd/4th level spell? Is it more powerful than fireball, stoneskin, or other spells of similar level? I'd argue that the answer is no. YMMV, as always. >shrug<

 

[Ogrork the Mighty]

"The creature is immune to any poison it is exposed to during the duration of the spell...." only applies if you have been exposed to the poison earlier, and re-exposed to it again at a later time, providing the spell's duration has not expired.

Where exactly does it say that?!? That's a pretty poor interpretation. You might as well just make up rules as you go along if you're going to interpret things like that.

Neutralize poison negates any poison currently in your system and makes you immune to poison for the duration of the spell. That's what the spell does. Period. No interpretation necessary. Just go with what the spell specifically states.