New article - Elves, Eladrin and Drow. Oh, my!

[Rechan]

A paladin is not necessarily good anymore.

Yeah, it was mentioned at GenCon that you could have a paladin of Asmodeus.

 

[Irda Ranger]

Drow paladins of Lolth. A paladin is not necessarily good anymore.

Yeah, we've known this for a while now. It's one of the reasons I prefer "Herald" to Paladin. The name "Paladin" is fairly strongly associated with law and good (for good reasons). I think a "Herald" is a neutral term that encompasses what the class is about. For instance, if "Herald of Gruumsh" is leading the horde marching on the city, you know you're in for a rough couple days/weeks/months.

I think an evil Paladin of Lolth sounds like an awesome NPC villian.

well duh!

 

[HeinorNY]

Yeah, we've known this for a while now. It's one of the reasons I prefer "Herald" to Paladin. The name "Paladin" is fairly strongly associated with law and good (for good reasons). I think a "Herald" is a neutral term that encompasses what the class is about. For instance, if "Herald of Gruumsh" is leading the horde marching on the city, you know you're in for a rough couple days/weeks/months.

"Champion" is also a good opiton

 

[Doug McCrae]

I prefered 3e's fluffless approach to crunch

3e's crunch wasn't fluffless. Druids = Celtic culture, monks = oriental flavour, Eurocentric weapons chart, sci-fi spell names such as telekinesis, spell schools, arcane/divine split, Vancian magic, flashbang magic, certain spells assume the existence of the astral and ethereal planes, many monsters from European myth and folklore.

 

[Rechan]

3e's crunch wasn't fluffless. Druids = Celtic culture, monks = oriental flavour, Eurocentric weapons chart, sci-fi spell names such as telekinesis, spell schools, arcane/divine split, Vancian magic, flashbang magic, certain spells assume the existence of the astral and ethereal planes, many monsters from European myth and folklore.

Barbarian = a class with the assumed culture of savage or primitive. Sorcerer magic = draconic ancestry.

 

[Knight Otu]

From the article it seems that

Elves +2 Dex, +2 Wis (as we know)

Eladrin +2 Dex, +2 Int

Drow +2 Dex, +2 Cha (from the comments about their "presence")

Surely that means that there will be two more elfkin, waiting in the weeds - one for Strength, and one for Constitution.

Regarding the Drow as characters bit, I get the impression that the MM will give drow a player race write-up, but not any of the fancy stuff that the featured races get, such as racial feats, racial class powers, racial paragon paths, and the like.

 

[erf_beto]

I liked the fluff.

Also, have you noticed the bit about noble eladrin and their loyalty stuff? I've been wondering wheter a character can make a pact with a powerfull eladrin noble to become a warlock. This would be the fey pact, of course, and would probably work really well for a party of NOT-evil characters...

Warlock. Not. Evil. I like it

 

[Incenjucar]

I just want to know: Has anyone made the Elf Triforce joke yet?

Because it's just so fitting.

 

[Orius]

Hmm:

Wisdom: Eladrin
Power: Drow
Courage: Elves.

 

[Orius]

Except that D&D has often supported many many homebrews that look like Greyhawk , perhaps one of the reasons why it's the biggest RPG. That's where the complaint is, DMs want to use their own worlds that look like Greyhawk , not WotC's world, and now they have to house-rule extensively instead of the non-Greyhawk DMs.

All bolded text added by myself, but I believe that's a little closer to accurate.

You know, I used to sneer a bit at the cranky old grognards, but I'm beginning to feel a bit more sympathetic towards them.

Some of the ideas are good, but there's far too much implied setting for my taste. Maybe there's more "non-Greyhawk" DMs out there than people ripping of Gary's old game, but that doesn't mean they're people who want to play the very strongly implied setting of 4e either.