New Concept: The half feat

[AGGEMAM]

Archer, interesting idea, however I have toyed another concept similar to yours but completely opposite.

How about making a class of strong feats, in which the most powerful of the existing feats and most of the class features would be.

Suggested class features that could be turned into feats are:

Rage
Uncanny Dodge
Fast Movement
Damage Reduction
Greater Rage
Superior Rage (No longer winded after raging)
Nature Sense
Animal Companion
Woodland Stride
Trackless Step
etc. etc.

Actually there is no reason why there couldn't be both.

And the most powerful class features (such as Spell Casting Ability) could even have a catagory of their own, let's call it Powers.

So here's how it would look.

Skills > (minor Feats) > Feats > (major Feats) > Powers



Well, just a thought.

 

[Crothian]

So, we'd come up with a list defining everything into one of these five catagories. THen we say each one costs a certain number of points and then you get so many point per level to buy additional abilities as you gain, or we'd say you get so amny of each catargory at the beginning and every level you get one or two of them. Is this what you're thinking of?

 

[AGGEMAM]

Exactly

Whether it should be the one or the other, I currently don't know.

*I just woke up, it's half-past seven sunday morning, don't expect miracles*

 

[Archer]

You never want to cross the line between skills and feats though. That eliminates the difference between fighters and rogues. Making class abilities feats is just making a classless d20 system.

I like half feats because it makes those lesser feats more viable. There are already some 500 feats of which 300 are really lesser feats which are rarely used because there are 200 feats which are clearly better and most characters only get around 5 feats in the average lifetime. Its seems a shame to waste those 300 feats when you could make them usable by letting people mix and match.

 

[Crothian]

Well, one would need to go through all of the feats and make a list of the weak ones. Wizards has a list of all the feats from their products ssoemwhere on their pages. One could copy that over here and define each feat as weak or not. That would give us a basis to start the arguements of what is really weak and what isn't.

 

[AGGEMAM]

Here's a list of the 429 official WotC feats, go vote, guys!

Ability Focus
Acrobatic
Alertness
Alluring
Ambidexterity
Animal Control
Animal Defiance
Arcane Defense
Arcane Preparation
Arcane Schooling
Armor Proficiency (Heavy)
Armor Proficiency (Light)
Armor Proficiency (Medium)
Art of Fascination
Arterial Strike
Artist
Artist
Athletic
Attention to Detail
Attune Gem
Augment Construction
Augment Summoning
Bend Spell
Blind-Fight
Blindsight
Blindsight, 5-foot Radius
Blood Sorcerer
Blooded
Bloodline of Fire
Body Fuel
Born Duelist
Brachiation
Brew Potion
Bullheaded
Chain Link
Chain Power
Chain Spell
Chariot Archery
Chariot Charge
Chariot Combat
Chariot Sideswipe
Chariot Trample
Charlatan
Chink in the Armor
Choke Hold
Circle Kick
Cleave
Clever Wrestling
Close-Quarters Fighting
Combat Agility
Combat Casting
Combat Manifestation
Combat Reflexes
Construct Familiar
Cool head
Cooperative Spell
Cosmopolitan
Courteous Magocracy
Craft Crystal Capacitor
Craft Crystal Weapon
Craft Dorje
Craft Drilbu
Craft Magic Arms and Armor
Craft Psionic Arms and Armor
Craft Rod
Craft Staff
Craft Talisman
Craft Universal Item
Craft Wand
Craft Wondrous Item
Create Infusion
Create Portal
Dash
Daylight Adaptation
Death Blow
Deep Impact
Defensive Strike
Defensive Throw
Deflect Arrows
Deflect Ranged Attack
Delay Spell
Destructive Rage
Dirty Fighting
Disarm Mind
Discipline
Discipline
Disguise Spell
Divine Cleansing
Divine Might
Divine Resistance
Divine Shield
Divine Vengeance
Divine Vigor
Dodge
Dragon's Toughness
Dual Strike
Dwarf's Toughness
Eagle Claw Attack
Eagle Claw Attack
Earth's Embrace
Education
Empower Construction
Empower Spell
Empower Turning
Encode Stone
Endurance
Energy Admixture
Energy Substituion
Enlarge Power
Enlarge Spell
Enspell Familiar
Eschew Materials
Ethran
Exotic Weapon Proficiency
Expert Tactician
Expertise
Extend Power
Extend Rage
Extend Spell
Extra Familiar
Extra Favored Enemy
Extra Music
Extra Power
Extra Rage
Extra Slot
Extra Smiting
Extra Spell
Extra Stunning Attacks
Extra Turning
Extra Wild Shape
Eyes in the Back of Your Head
Falling Star Strike
Far Shot
Fast Armor
Fast Rider
Fast Wild Shape
Faster Healing
Favored Critical
Fearsome and Fearless
Feign Weakness
Fell Shot
Fists of Iron
Fists of Iron
Fleet of Foot
Flick of the Wrist
Flyby Attack
Flying Kick
Foe Hunter
Forester
Forge Ring
Fortify Power
Freezing the Lifeblood
Giant's Toughness
Gifted General
Grappling Block
Great Cleave
Great Crafter
Great Diplomat
Great Fortitude
Great Ki Shout
Great Stamina
Great Sunder
Great Teamwork
Greater Power Penetration
Greater Resiliency
Greater Spell Focus
Greater Spell Penetration
Greater Two-Weapon Fighting
Green Ear
Hamstring
Heighten Power
Heighten Spell
Heighten Turning
Hide Power
Hill Fighter
Hold the Line
Honest Merchant
Horse Nomad
Iaijutsu Master
Improved Aid
Improved Bull Rush
Improved Counterspell
Improved Critical
Improved Disarm
Improved Familiar
Improved Flight
Improved Flying
Improved Grapple
Improved Initiative
Improved Low Blow
Improved Mounted Archery
Improved Overrun
Improved Psicrystal
Improved Shield Bash
Improved Sunder
Improved Swimming
Improved Trip
Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
Improved Unarmed Strike
Inertial Armor
Innate Spell
Inner Fortitude
Inner Strength
Inscribe Rune
Insidious Magic
Instantaneous Rage
Intimidating Rage
Iron Will
Jack of All Trades
Kami's Intuition
Karmic Strike
Karmic Twin
Keen Intellect
Ki Shout
Knock-Down
Leadership
Lightning Fists
Lightning Reflexes
Lingering Song
Lion Spy
Low Blow
Luck of Heroes
Luck of Heroes
Magic in the Blood
Magical Artisan
Magical Artisan
Magical Training
Magically Adept
Magistrate's Mind
Mantis Leap
Many Masks
Martial Weapon Proficiency
Master Discipline
Master Dorje
Maximize Power
Maximize Spell
Mental Adversary
Mental Leap
Mercantile Background
Metacreative
Militia
Mind Blind
Mind over Body
Mind Trap
Mobility
Monkey Grip
Mounted Archery
Mounted Combat
Multiattack
Multicultural
Multidexterity
Multiple Head Casting
Multiweapon Fighting
Natural Spell
Nobody's Fool
Off-Hand Parry
Off-Hand Parry
Oni's Bane
Overpower
Pain Touch
Pain Touch
Pernicious Magic
Persistent Power
Persistent Spell
Persuasive
Phalanx Fighting
Pin Shield
Plant Control
Plant Defiance
Point Blank Shot
Power Attack
Power Attack - Shadowlands
Power Attack-Iaijutsu
Power Critical
Power Penetration
Power Specialization
Power Touch
Powerful Voice
Precise Shot
Prone Attack
Prone Attack
Proportinate Wild Shape
Psionic Body
Psionic Charge
Psionic Defense
Psionic Dodge
Psionic Energy Admixture
Psionic Energy Substitution
Psionic Fist
Psionic Focus
Psionic Metabolism
Psionic Shot
Psionic Weapon
Psychic Bastion
Psychic Inquisitor
Psychoanalyst
Pyro
Quick Draw
Quicken Power
Quicken Spell
Quicken Turning
Quicker Than the Eye
Ranged Disarm
Ranged Pin
Ranged Sunder
Rapid Metabolism
Rapid Reload
Rapid Shot
Reach Power
Reach Spell
Reactive Counterspell
Remain Conscious
Repeat power
Repeat Spell
Requiem
Resculpt Mind
Resist Disease
Resist Poison
Resist Poison
Resist Poison
Resist Taint
Resistance to Energy
Return Shot
Ride-By Attack
Roundabout Kick
Run
Sacred Spell
Saddleback
Saddleback
Sanctum Spell
Scathing Wit
Scent
Scholar of Nature
Scribe Scroll
Scribe Tattoo
Sculpt Power
Sculpt Spell
Sea Legs
Shadow
Shadow Weave Magic
Sharp-Shooting
Shield Charge
Shield Proficiency
Shield-Expert
Shot On The Run
Signature Spell
Silent Spell
Silver Palm
Silver Tongue
Simple Weapon Proficiency
Skill Focus
Smooth Talk
Smooth Talk
Snake Blood
Snatch
Snatch Arrows
Snatch Weapon
Soul of Honor
Soul of Loyalty
Soul of Sincerity
Speaking Wild Shape
Speed of Thought
Spell Focus
Spell Girding
Spell Mastery
Spell Penetration
Spell Power
Spell Specialization
Spell Thematics
Spellcaster Support
Spellcasting Prodigy
Spellfire Wielder
Spirited Charge
Split Psionic Ray
Split Ray
Spring Attack
Stand Still
Stealthy
Still Spell
Stoic Composure
Street Smart
Strength of the Charger
Strength of the Crab
Strong Soul
Strong Soul
Stunning Fist
Subdual Substitution
Subsonics
Sunder
Superior Expertise
Supernatural Blow
Survivor
Swarmfighting
Talented
Tatoo Focus
Tattoo Magic
Tenacious Magic
Throw Anything
Thug
Thunder Twin
Token Familiar
Toughness
Track
Trade-Off
Trample
Treetopper
Trigger Power
Trustworthy
Twin Power
Twin Spell
Twin Sword Style
Two-Weapon Fighting
Unavoidable Strike
Unbalancing Strike
Undead Familiar
Up the Walls
Upgrade Power
Wall Breaker
Warrior Instinct
Warrior Shugenja
Weapon Finesse
Weapon Focus
Weapon Specialization
Whirlwind Attack
Widen Power
Widen Spell
Wildspeak
Wingover
Zen Archery

 

[Archer]

There are skill feats, save feats, initiative feats and combinations thereof. 2 skill points = +2 init = +1 save or +2 in a limited circumstance and you get any 2 bonus you like, this is what brought about the idea of the mix/match half feat. About 250 feats fit in this formula which makes the list a lot shorter. I'd break them all down into their halves and put each half up as its own half feat. I value skills less so +3 to a skill would be a half feat making alertness +3/+3 a full feat. I think the save boosting feats are about 2/3's of a feat.

All feats which a core class gets for free at first level should be half feats to reduce frivolous multiclassing. That knocks off another 10 or so feats. (the virtual feats TWF and ambidex don't fall into this category)

Feats that grant one smite, spell, slot or power count as a half feats.

Item creation feats should be half feats otherwise everything gets made as a wonderous item.

Certain similar metamagic feats should be comboed. Quicken is strong enough to stand on its own as is Twin Spell. I don't know about the rest. Metamagics have their own costs to apply so you aren't getting anything for free.

The core dex, str, int feat chains have to stay full feats as do all the monk feats.

Does that leave any feats not previously discussed?

 

[Crothian]

Thanks AGGEMAN

So any feat that gives 2 binuses is a half feat. And all the feats that give bonuses to any skill is a half feat. Interesting.

So, have you tried this out yet? Have the PCs started taken these half feats over the combat ones?