New Law in California

[Uder]

There are several faith traditions that espouse that injections, pharmaceuticals, blood transfers and other medical procedures- especially those that are "intrusive"- are anathema to the faithful. Makes things tricky for hospitals & MDs. You have to respect their faith...but also have the capacity to administer standard treatment if they decide to consent anyway.

If they want to believe in Magic Santa, they can come to school. If they want to believe in Magic Santa and bring disease, they are free to homeschool.

 

[Umbran]

Relevant news: We've just had the first measles-related death in the US since 2003, in Clallum County, Washington.

https://websrv7.clallam.net/forms/uploads/HHS_ExposureSites.pdf

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

If they want to believe in Magic Santa, they can come to school. If they want to believe in Magic Santa and bring disease, they are free to homeschool.

Thank you for bringing respectful, non-inflammatory rhetoric to the thread.

As to your point, that is the balance that the California law is trying to strike. The question is whether the courts will find this is a reasonable accommodation. If they find that it is, the law will stand. If not, California will have to find another solution.

Bussing, perhaps? Anti-vaxer's get their own school? The kids have to wear surgical gloves & masks? Only time will tell.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

It would have helped if it were actually funny.

It is pretty funny, unless you're "vaccine injured¹."

Seriously, though - I know you were trying to be funny. But, I find the repeated meme that those who hold such positions are stupid or brain damaged is part of the problem. That stereotype gets in the way of meaningful communication on the topic. If we are to make the world a better place, we must understand, rather than dismiss, those who are in the way.

Sure, if you could find an anti-vaccer that could engage meaningful communication², I might consider it. Let me ask you this: have you had to actually interact with an anti-vaccer? I, unfortunately, have³. I've had to do it far more times than I wanted to. Have you ever met someone and had a discussion with them only to see them cover their ears and say "La la la, I can't hear you!" In my experience, it's like that, but with tears and a more tenuous grasp on reality. And maybe that's just my experience. Maybe anti-vaccers in Florida are using bath salts and MMS, and it's making them a quite a bit crazy. But again, that's been my experience.

Moreover, while we are allowed to discuss these topics, EN World civility rules still apply - and suggesting, "those who hold this idea are brain-damaged" is not civil.

Jim Carrey deserves no civility after the plethora of horrific movies he has terrorized the world with... especially that penguin movie. The horror should be paid back⁴.

[sblock=1]Whatever that means. Seriously, it's one of those terms people use to try and make it seem as if there was some nefarious plot to hurt their kids. As you can tell, I find it annoying.[/sblock]
[sblock=2]"Meaningful" isn't really a useful term as what is meaningful to you may not be "meaningful" to someone else.[/sblock]
[sblock=3]Sometimes I hate my job.[/sblock]
[sblock=4]Seriously, someone should suffer horribly for letting Jim Carrey continue to make movies. [/sblock]

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

While I don't agree with them, I don't mind the bulk of the anti-vaxxers: they're parents with kids (and occasionally other relatives) they think have been harmed by vaccines. They have my sympathy, even as I try to reason with them.

The ones worthy of ire are the health care professionals- mostly nurses- who REALLY should know better. Those people are actively destructive on so many levels.

 

[Kramodlog]

A study on meaningful conversations with anti-vaxxers: http://io9.com/debunking-flu-shot-myths-makes-some-less-likely-to-get-1668803134

Conclusion? Seems people double-down on their opinions when they are confronted on their world views, reinforcing them. It isn't that surprising really. Just spend time on the internet.

 

[Ryujin]

A study on meaningful conversations with anti-vaxxers: http://io9.com/debunking-flu-shot-myths-makes-some-less-likely-to-get-1668803134

Conclusion? Seems people double-down on their opinions when they are confronted on their world views, reinforcing them. It isn't that surprising really. Just spend time on the internet.

No, hardly a surprise. It's why Bill O'Reilly can get away with using a lie as a talking point, be publicly called on the lie, admit to it, and then go right back to using it again a week later.

 

[Umbran]

Conclusion? Seems people double-down on their opinions when they are confronted on their world views, reinforcing them. It isn't that surprising really. Just spend time on the internet.

Yep. Which means, of course, that *confrontation* isn't the best ploy. And calling them stupid is about as confrontational as it gets.

 

[Uder]

Yep. Which means, of course, that *confrontation* isn't the best ploy. And calling them stupid is about as confrontational as it gets.

I've tried passive-aggressively just believing they were wrong. Funny. Nothing happened.

My closest co-worker is autistic, her husband has an autistic brother (Asberger's in both cases). They don't vaccinate their kids, because vaccines cause autism.

So yeah, they absolutely, positively are stupid. And their stupidity is affecting more than just their own little egosphere, so it's okay to look at someone like that (in real life) and say "yer dum!"

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

It may make you feel better, but psychologically speaking, that just reinforces their bunker mentality. IOW, it grinds the possibility of meaningful discussion to dust.

Or, to put it differently: you're not helping.