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[Pants]

Did someone suggest that FR fans are bad people?

Heh, sorry.

psst, FR fans eat babies!

 

[Wraith Form]

Expedition to the City by the Silt Sea?

And my lame-o fanboy butt would buy it.

 

[Ranger REG]

Heh, sorry.

psst, FR fans eat babies!

Only children of Greyhawk fans.

 

[glass]

I'm looking forward to the GH book the most. Mainly because I have very little experience with GH and would like to see what all the hoopla is about.

Ditto.


glass.

 

[Ranger REG]

I'm looking forward to the GH book the most. Mainly because I have very little experience with GH and would like to see what all the hoopla is about.

Which version? Gary Gygax's GH? Carl Sargent's WoG?

Would rather see Monte Cook do a take on GH. Or even Robin Law's adaptation/reimagination.

 

[BadMojo]

psst, FR fans eat babies!

You say that like it's a bad thing. They're very tender.

 

[Pants]

Only children of Greyhawk fans.

So that's how FR took out GH.

 

[BOZ]

i think the return to greyhawk ruins will be good, especially with the paizo fellows handling it.

 

[Razz]

I'm looking forward to the GH book the most. Mainly because I have very little experience with GH and would like to see what all the hoopla is about.

Dunno why GH is so grand, really. I think there're fans of it because it makes them feel good playing in the first campaign setting of D&D itself. I really find GH rather boring, dry, and bland. Like eating a box of unsalted crackers...with nothing to drink.

I'm a Realms fan all the way. For one, every part of it is exciting. Another reason is because it's rich in variety, both mechanically and roleplay-wise. My next favorite setting would be Planescape, followed by Ravenloft, then Eberron. Eberron is, by far, the most unique of them all and I believe even that setting is more colorful than Greyhawk will ever be, despite the fact it's brand new.

So, most likely until the day I croak, I'll never truly understand the attraction people have to Greyhawk. By comparison to other campaigns, there's really nothing unique about it. I have yet to hear one solid argument that I can nod to about what it has that other campaigns don't have?

But then again, maybe that is the appeal of Greyhawk. It's "normalcy" for a D&D game.

 

[3catcircus]

Dunno why GH is so grand, really. I think there're fans of it because it makes them feel good playing in the first campaign setting of D&D itself. I really find GH rather boring, dry, and bland. Like eating a box of unsalted crackers...with nothing to drink.

I'm a Realms fan all the way. For one, every part of it is exciting. Another reason is because it's rich in variety, both mechanically and roleplay-wise. My next favorite setting would be Planescape, followed by Ravenloft, then Eberron. Eberron is, by far, the most unique of them all and I believe even that setting is more colorful than Greyhawk will ever be, despite the fact it's brand new.

So, most likely until the day I croak, I'll never truly understand the attraction people have to Greyhawk. By comparison to other campaigns, there's really nothing unique about it. I have yet to hear one solid argument that I can nod to about what it has that other campaigns don't have?

But then again, maybe that is the appeal of Greyhawk. It's "normalcy" for a D&D game.

I'll preface this by stating that I love FR.

That having been said, I love GH too! The reason that most of us who love GH, I think, is because the setting provides *just enough* information for a DM to expand upon the way they see fit. It really wasn't until later in 2nd edition when Robilar, Mordenkainen, etc. were fleshed out. Prior to that, they were just "legends" in the sense that they were immensely powerful but it was up to the DM as to whether/how he wanted to use them. I *never* used them except as window dressing - no stats, no nothing.

With FR, the Mordenkainens and Robilars are more pronounced and take a larger part of the stage, as does the detail of the world as a whole - something which some DMs feel is to restrictive as to what *they* want to do with the world.

Of course, it didn't hurt that there were really not many GH books - and those that there were, were set in the *past*, unlike a lot of the FR books which introduce *new* changes to the campaign world (return of the Shadovar, Lolth's silence, etc.)

Essentially, Greyhawk allows DMs to set their campaign at any given time period and know that they *only* have to worry about the Greyhawk Wars (Invoked Devastation and Rain of Colorless Fire notwithstanding). In FR, DMs have to contend with the ToT, followed by the return of Bane, not to mention the Shadovar, Lolth's Silence, recapture of Citadel Felbarr, etc.

It isn't about how colorful or unique the campaign setting is, so much as how easy it is to use it and maintain setting continuity in the face of newer published products. *That* is what is unique about Greyhawk in comparison to other settings.