New Way to One-Shot Orcus

[DracoSuave]

11x11x6-1 = 725 allies.
So you could in theory deal up to an extra 725d12 damage.
Now, to start thinking of how to garner that many...

And that was the moment we discovered the PC was actually the big bad villain of this tale....

 

[firesnakearies]

Um, no.

Oh. Okay. Cool then.

 

[jaldaen]

Thankfully, there's that rule in the DMG about how you can't count more than a few allies at once for powers.

You know I completely missed that rule... do you have a page number? Thanks

 

[keterys]

Legitimate Targets, p40. In general limit "allies" to the a squad-sized group of PCs and 1 or 2 NPCs is the basic rule.

 

[silentounce]

But the property as written specifically makes vorpal weapons a lot better, and I imagine that was at least part of the aim.

Using those other solutions wouldn't help vorpals at all.

Assuming that your DM is going to allow a vorpal brutal weapon in the campaign. And doesn't this nerf the Gauntlets of Destruction?

 

[keterys]

1d10+2 helps vorpal just as much as 1d12, reroll 1s and 2s does. And it's way faster. It mostly matters for gauntlets of devastation, but I' just rewrite them to 'Gives the brutal 1 property to your attacks'

And yeah, hopefully there will be a selection of gauntlet options rather than the main big one

 

[jaldaen]

Legitimate Targets, p40. In general limit "allies" to the a squad-sized group of PCs and 1 or 2 NPCs is the basic rule.

Thanks for the reference... it makes complete sense and I'm glad it's there

 

[jaelis]

I wonder how a brutal vorpal falchion would work.

 

[James McMurray]

I wonder how a brutal vorpal falchion would work.

Very well.

 

[Evil DM]

Um, no.

Your outcomes are as follows with a brutal 2 d12:

Roll a 1 or 2 and reroll. 1/6 chance
Roll a 3 to 12 and keep it. 5/6 chance, equal opp

If you reroll, you get the same chance as above.

Now, to figure out your probabilities after all is said and done.

Rolling a 3 to 12, each outcome has the same probability to occur, 1/n. We don't know what n is yet, we have to solve for that.

Rolling a final result of 1 or 2, however, has a probability of 0/n. This is an impossible event, as if it ever occured, you'd not have reached a final result.

There are no other outcomes.

So you have 10 possible outcomes each with the exact same probability.

10/n = 1. n = 10.

So you have 1/10 chance of each outcome happening.

1d10+2 has 10 possible outcomes, each with 1/10 chance of occuring, and also creates the same series of integers, from 3 to 12.

In other words, the results, statisticly, between 1d12 brutal 2 and 1d10+2 are the same.

However, 1d12 brutal 2, unlike 1d10+2, does not interact with -other- effects that reroll 1's. Also, unlike 1d10+2, there's no confusion/ambiguity/counterintuitivity/hard math with how you deal with x[W] where x > 1.


1d10+2's average damage, by the way, is 7.5. Brutal 2 1d12's average damage is also 7.5 by no small coincidence....

Okay. I must agree that my statistical feeling lead me to a false conclusion. Thus I did my homework and maybe we can discuss the issue here

Cheers, Evil DM.