NEWS; Gunning down the Snyderverse UPDATE Cavill gets the Kryptonite handshake!

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A suffusion of yellow
UPDATE
Henry Cavill has released a statement advising that “I will, after all, not be returning as Superman, After being told by the studio to announce my return back in October, prior to their hire, this news isn’t the easiest, but that’s life. The changing of the guard is something that happens. I respect that. James and Peter have a universe to build. I wish them and all involved with the new universe the best of luck, and the happiest of fortunes.”

ORIGINAL POST
In the first big bold move by the new boses at DC, Patty Jenkins has been told that her treatment for Wonder Woman 3 does not fit the new vision for the DC Universe. While its not an outright cut after the poor performance of WW2 and ongoing problems and financial blow outs at WB its looking unlikely that Jenkins or Gal Gadot will be back.

Moreover James Gunn and Pete Sanfran have promised that there will be only One DC Universe and many are expecting that means they’ll be wanting to clear out all the lingering remants of the Snyderverse and the looming shadow of Dwayne Johnsons Black Adam too. Breakdowns in negotiations with Henry Cavill are likely symptoms of that since The Rock has his fingers all over that Super pie.

Gunn and Safran said in a joint statement that they wanted to create an integrated, multilayered universe that still allows for the individual expression of the artists involved. Our commitment to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Harley Quinn, and the rest of the DC stable of characters is only equalled by our commitment to the wonder of human possibility these characters represent.

Its rumoured that Gunn will be focussing on Amanda Waller as the lynchpin for the new DC Universe and that the One vision will go across all media including Animation.

so what do you’ll think? will Gunn be a new broom that renews and rebuilds the DC Cinematic presence or is it sign of ongoing doom…
 
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Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I think that this article has a great rundown, both of what is known and more importantly, what is unknown and speculation.


Briefly-

Almost everything is still in flux. Gunn and Safran have finished their initial brainstorming, but haven't (yet) presented the full plan to Zaslav.
That said, they (apparently) have already rejected the Jenkins treatment for WW3. So that, as currently constituted, is a no-go. That doesn't necessarily mean that Jenkins and/or Gadot are gone.

However, there is speculation that the entirety of the "Snyderverse" will be gone after the movies that are currently already done (and/or in advanced stages) are released. The possible exception might be re-casting Momoa as Lobo, but that's speculation.

In addition, there is also speculation (which I think seems well-founded) that the whole Rock/Cavill powerplay was not well taken, and that Black Adam is a dead end. In addition, a little nugget I found fascinating is The Flash (originally set to be released March 23, 2018, and now set for June 16, 2023) is an "unlocked picture" and that there are still internal debates about cutting and editing out parts of it.

Which ... I mean .... you can't make that up.
 

Thank goodness. It is about time they take a broom to the nonsense that was the Snyderverse.
Nothing against the actors but seriously those movies were rubbish for a number of reasons and for that you need the change to be at the top (directors and writers)
Personally, they should do a clean sweep and start over, either through The Flash introducing the new universe or just begin there and ignore the past.
 

wicked cool

Adventurer
What a mess. These studios maybe are realizing that after Covid there is little appetite for bad movies. Ww1 and 2 were not good-awful. Suicide squad movies are just ok
Studios need to follow the top gun maverick style movie. Likeable characters, good plot plus good action
Lately it’s terrible plots(latest Jurassic) or movies that the special effects story are not worth the price of admission and should be direct to video (beast with idris Elba) or you have black Adam /Thor latest which is 2 predictable and filled with boring villains
 

ART!

Legend
Argh!!!!

I really like Cavill and Gadot in those roles, and I think more Black Adam appearances could take better advantage of Johnson's strengths.

Also, on the one hand, I dislike Snyder's sensibilities (other than visual stuff), so good riddance, but on the other I dislike some of Gunn's, too, so...[shrugs]
But, we're more likely to get fun movies with Gunn, so I'm curious to see what his more tightly woven-together DCCU looks like.
 

aco175

Legend
Would the Flash movie open things with another universe like what Marvel did with alternate Earths. This way you can start over and call it another reality or Earth?
 


overgeeked

B/X Known World
I'm more of a Marvel person in the comics and films, mostly because the characters are generally more grounded, and the movies aren't bleak dystopias where the super-"heroes" wouldn't know how to be a superhero if a kid in a towel-cape showed them. Here's to hoping Gunn's version of the DCU will be more four color and less murderers with powers.
 

ART!

Legend
I'm more of a Marvel person in the comics and films, mostly because the characters are generally more grounded, and the movies aren't bleak dystopias where the super-"heroes" wouldn't know how to be a superhero if a kid in a towel-cape showed them. Here's to hoping Gunn's version of the DCU will be more four color and less murderers with powers.
Have you seen his Suicide Squad movie? That is a movie that finds every opportunity to kill people in horrible ways, mostly at the hands of Squad members. I know, I know - they're not "heroes". But...yeesh. And his Guardians of the Galaxy movies enjoy at least one good brutal kill-fest per movie.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Have you seen his Suicide Squad movie? That is a movie that finds every opportunity to kill people in horrible ways, mostly at the hands of Squad members. I know, I know - they're not "heroes". But...yeesh. And his Guardians of the Galaxy movies enjoy at least one good brutal kill-fest per movie.

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overgeeked

B/X Known World
Have you seen his Suicide Squad movie? That is a movie that finds every opportunity to kill people in horrible ways, mostly at the hands of Squad members. I know, I know - they're not "heroes". But...yeesh. And his Guardians of the Galaxy movies enjoy at least one good brutal kill-fest per movie.
Yes, I have. And I watched his Peacemaker show. They're great. I don't have an issue with those. Because, importantly, they're not superheroes. Peacemaker is, at best, an anti-hero. I mean this is even called out in the show. The whole Suicide Squad are, at best, anti-heroes. Literally imprisoned villains forced to work for the government as black ops agents. They are not good people. Loved the callback to the first issue of Suicide Squad in Gunn's version, btw.

However, Superman is a superhero. Batman is a superhero. It's when you can't tell the difference between Superman, Batman, and Peacemaker that I have a problem. Batman doesn't kill, but he does in the newer DC movies. Superman doesn't kill, but he does in the newer DC movies. That's what I'm talking about.

People with powers who kill is fine. Deadpool's awesome. The Boys is fine. Not my cuppa, but whatever. But that's a subgenre that shouldn't be how the main superheroes are portrayed. When Superman is portrayed as an anti-hero...you have the wrong person running the show. I mean, if you want anything like supporting "evidence" look at how much better the Marvel movies do and have done than the DC movies. Sure, you get that in the comics on occasion, but it's almost always in Elseworlds or one-off graphic novels.
 



Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
That movie is the longest train crash in History! It just keeps getting worst...

Part of it is that the studio kept hoping that the bad news about Ezra Miller would clear up .... but nope. They just kept digging that hole.

In terms of the 2022 year in review, I'm fairly certain that WB is thankful that Kanye stepped up and saw what Ezra was doing and said, "Hold my beer."
 




Stalker0

Legend
Its rumoured that Gunn will be focussing on Amanda Waller as the lynchpin for the new DC Universe
If they go that route I think they are going to have to do some changes to the Waller character.

Take Black Adam for example. One of the pieces that absolutely did not fit, Hawkman working with Waller. Hawkman was presented as this paragon of honor, it was his defining trait. Yet he's working with Waller, whose as honorless as it comes, she'll do anything to get the job done. That pairing did not make any damn sense.

So either they need to make her more "justice oriented", or do something where she literally has like blackmail on everyone and keeps them in line through chicanery. Anything in the middle just doesn't' work.
 

nevin

Hero
Im worried that Gunn is going to double down on stealth snyderverse meets suicide squad. i wont miss the caville superman but not because of caville because the stories were horrible. but Wonder woman and Aquaman have been thier only true successes and it seems they are trying to move them ti the corner. makes no sense to me. I will say the article could be interpreted that the recent wonder woman script got cancelled not wonder woman. But supposedly Mimoa is going to become LOBO which will be great, but not so good for aquaman franchise
 

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