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D&D 5E Next (3rd book of the year) endless speculation thread

Mercurius

Legend
The real reason for this thread is to see how many pages it can get to before the third book is announced (presumably months from now, or at least sometime around or after Ravenloft comes out in May). The secondary (OK, real) purpose is to speculate (baselessly, mostly) on what that third book might be.

Feywild. How much weight do we put into the latest UA? From there are several branches: A sylvan based adventure/setting; a feywild/planar book; a Magic fey-adjacent setting.

Dragons. They're always lurking. This could mean Draconomicon and/or a monster book (it has been a few years). Dragonlance.

Planes. The Big Kahuna of major domains of D&D Land left mostly untouched, but perhaps also one of the riskiest. Still, it's got to happen at some point. Right?

"Three classic settings." Ravenloft is announced, which leaves us two. But will they do two in one year? Seems unlikely. Further, there's no certainty that they actually publish three setting books; "support" could come in different ways. And I think we should be hesitant to solidify the number "three" - it could be less, it could be more.

We know that there are new Dragonlance novels, possibly/probably starting later this year. That means that there's a good chance of a Dragonlance adventure and/or setting book (box set?).

And then there's speculation possible based upon product type: So far this year we have one adventure collection and one setting book. That would likely mean that we'll get at least one full adventure path, a splat of some kind (probably DM-focused, ala monsters), and another setting book.

Anything else?

I won't speculate as to when, but my guess is that over the next almost two years (2021-22) we'll see:
*A Dragonlance product or two of some kind (probably needs two: adventure and setting/sourcebook)
*An adventure path or two (one possibly being DL)
*A monster book (possibly focusing on dragons)
*A sylvan/fey-based book
*A planes book
*A classic setting book (DL or another)
*A Magic setting book

p.s. A note about the D&D movie. I imagine they'll come out with some kind of supporting product, but given that the movie isn't coming out until late 2022 at the earliest, and a lot can happen between now and then to push it back, and they'll likely want to assess how well it is received, I'm guessing we won't see something until 2023).
 
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overgeeked

B/X Known World
We know the second setting is Dragonlance. The real question is what’s the third and when will these last two be released. My guess is we will get Dragonlance before the year is out. The third will probably be next year.

The Fey lineages are quite suggestive of a Feywild book, though the generic nature of the names used suggests they’re doing something more specific but don’t want to reveal it yet.

I’m hopeful for Spelljammer, Dark Sun, Nentir Vale, and Mystara. Planescape is also quite popular, so it’s likely. A Planescape AP and separate setting book are possible. But you could say the same for any setting, really. CoS and VRGtR, as an example.

We haven’t had a dedicated monster book in awhile and as editions and power creep progress, monster design is refined, so we’re honestly overdue for more beasties. Especially if they want to cement their stated goal of being more inclusive, showing that with a big book of fleshed out and not filled with racist tropes monsters is the way to go.
 

A compilation of modules/adventures, maybe Dragonlance or about the planes. But this sounds as a return throught a back door.

A monster compedium as Draconomicon or Libris Mortis is possible, but not Fiend Folio this year 2021.
 


Scribe

Hero
Annoyingly, this latest UA not only confirms a game path I don't like, but considering the short turn around between the Gothic UA and Ravenloft books, I would imagine it's a Fey book next.

Add the de emphasis on alignment and Planescape is looking either further away, or changed in a way I won't like anyways.
 

hopeless

Adventurer
What kind of Fey Book if at all?
A book of mysteries and a remake of the domains of dread has so far been announced so either a setting book or another Tasha/Xanathar's Guide?

2020
Tasha's Cauldron of Everything (November)
Explorer's Guide to Wildemount (March)
Mythic Odysseys of Theros (June)
Icewind Dale: Rime of the Frostmaiden (September)
DM Screen Wilderness Screen (November)
Return to Glory (May) apparently to do with the Red Nose day charity didn't know about this!

This Year so far
Candelkeep Mysteries (March)
 
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The real reason for this thread is to see how many pages it can get to before the third book is announced (presumably months from now, or at least sometime around or after Ravenloft comes out in May). The secondary (OK, real) purpose is to speculate (baselessly, mostly) on what that third book might be.

Feywild. How much weight do we put into the latest UA? From there are several branches: A sylvan based adventure/setting; a feywild/planar book; a Magic fey-adjacent setting.

Dragons. They're always lurking. This could mean Draconomicon and/or a monster book (it has been a few years). Dragonlance.

Planes. The Big Kahuna of major domains of D&D Land left mostly untouched, but perhaps also one of the riskiest. Still, it's got to happen at some point. Right?

"Three classic settings." Ravenloft is announced, which leaves us two. But will they do two in one year? Seems unlikely. Further, there's no certainty that they actually publish three setting books; "support" could come in different ways. And I think we should be hesitant to solidify the number "three" - it could be less, it could be more.

We know that there are new Dragonlance novels, possibly/probably starting later this year. That means that there's a good chance of a Dragonlance adventure and/or setting book (box set?).

And then there's speculation possible based upon product type: So far this year we have one adventure collection and one setting book. That would likely mean that we'll get at least one full adventure path, a splat of some kind (probably DM-focused, ala monsters), and another setting book.

Anything else?

I won't speculate as to when, but my guess is that over the next almost two years (2021-22) we'll see:
*A Dragonlance product or two of some kind (probably needs two: adventure and setting/sourcebook)
*An adventure path or two (one possibly being DL)
*A monster book (possibly focusing on dragons)
*A sylvan/fey-based book
*A planes book
*A classic setting book (DL or another)
*A Magic setting book

p.s. A note about the D&D movie. I imagine they'll come out with some kind of supporting product, but given that the movie isn't coming out until late 2022 at the earliest, and a lot can happen between now and then to push it back, and they'll likely want to assess how well it is received, I'm guessing we won't see something until 2023).
Dragons + Fey could add up to Throne of Eldraine. If we had gotten another draconic UA, I would have said we're looking at a Draconomicon, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards as of mid-March 2021.

I do think a planar sourcebook seems likely. Or, barring that, this year's big adventure book could be a plane-hopping gith-focused one that includes a de facto planar gazetteer and include spelljamming rules. It's also possible for them to double-dip and do a sourcebook and adventure centered around the same idea in a year, but I don't recall them doing that in the past, beyond freebie products like the Elemental Players Companion. Add a stop in Sigil, and you've got one of your three classic settings checked off.

I don't think we will see Dark Sun or Dragonlance as the big adventure of 2021, since those adventures are meant to be slotted into existing campaigns with little work, and that's not easily possible with either of those. (I do think a Ghosts of Saltmarsh style Dragonlance Chronicles book has a good shot at being an upcoming springtime adventure compilation in 2022 or beyond.) Given how Krynn is so centered around the War of the Lance, I don't think it's likely they would release a product that isn't an adventure campaign. This would also check off the third classic setting box.

The owlfolk in the new UA match up with one key piece of art for Strixhaven, so we could get a Tome of Magic-style book in the fall with a small gazetteer of the school of wizardry, player-facing arcane content, and a bunch of magical monsters and maybe rules for things that 5E has largely glided over, like the creation of magic items, potions and spells.
 



Add the de emphasis on alignment and Planescape is looking either further away, or changed in a way I won't like anyways.
I don't know if that's necessarily true. The philosophers of Sigil can exist independently of alignment -- and the rules about patrons and piety in recent books could be used to mechanically support them better -- and everyone on the Outer Planes are, by their very nature, alien beings. They could be 1E-level invested in their alignments without interfering with how 5E treats alignment outside of that environment.

Your player character being unaligned doesn't mean that there aren't guardinals practically vibrating with Neutral Goodness.
 


Unless there's a mid-summer release, the 3rd book would be in September, and that's been reserved for the major adventure book for the last few years.
Didn't Theros come out mid-summer? Although its publication date may have been interfered with more than we knew about by the pandemic.

In any case, Hasbro's investor call said they were going to be increasing their output. A summertime release seems like a good candidate, given that much of the entertainment industry sees that as prime time for products.
 

What’s WotC’s line up for 2021? We know there’s an adventure anthology releasing on Tuesday and we know there’s a setting releasing in May. Beyond that, what do we know?
We know that WotC has one kitchen sink setting they're heavily invested in: the Forgotten Realms. They've shown no hesitation in moving Mystara creatures into the core monster books for several editions now.

I don't know what, from a commercial standpoint, would make them want to publish something in Mystara instead of the Forgotten Realms. (And no, I am not a fan of the Forgotten Realms, myself, but clearly, that's the decision WotC has been sticking with in this edition.)
 

Scribe

Hero
I don't know if that's necessarily true. The philosophers of Sigil can exist independently of alignment -- and the rules about patrons and piety in recent books could be used to mechanically support them better -- and everyone on the Outer Planes are, by their very nature, alien beings. They could be 1E-level invested in their alignments without interfering with how 5E treats alignment outside of that environment.

Your player character being unaligned doesn't mean that there aren't guardinals practically vibrating with Neutral Goodness.
I think eventually yes, this Guardinals will vibrate with something not call Neutral Goodness. Monster profiles now lack alignments right? That's where they are taking things.
 

I think eventually yes, this Guardinals will vibrate with something not call Neutral Goodness. Monster profiles now lack alignments right? That's where they are taking things.
I thought they explicitly said that outsiders and other alien beings would retain the ability to be evil or good by default.
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
We know that WotC has one kitchen sink setting they're heavily invested in: the Forgotten Realms. They've shown no hesitation in moving Mystara creatures into the core monster books for several editions now.

I don't know what, from a commercial standpoint, would make them want to publish something in Mystara instead of the Forgotten Realms. (And no, I am not a fan of the Forgotten Realms, myself, but clearly, that's the decision WotC has been sticking with in this edition.)
Your initial response seemed like you were indicating you knew what their line-up was for 2021. So I was asking if you knew their planned line-up.

I agree, FR is wildly more popular than any of the settings I mentioned. It’s also wildly more popular than Ravenloft...yet we have an announced Ravenloft book incoming but still no FR setting book even announced.

So, in reality, those two other classic settings are most likely FR and Dragonlance. Which is a bummer because there’s more FR and Drangonlance material already out there than there is for all the other settings combined. So it’s not like we actually need any more. I’m just not a fan of either so hold out hope they’ll give us something interesting like Al-Qadim, Dark Sun, Mystara, Nentir Vale, Planescape, or Spelljammer.
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
I'm thinking monster book (like Volo's/Mordenkainen's) with both Dragon and Feywild material.

It would fit the mold well. A Dragonomicon would be pretty small in scope for a 5e book, but a Dragon + Feywild book combined would match the varied material in Mordenkainen's. Having both new monsters like the Sapphire Dragon, and new Fey, plus the Fey and Dragon themed players options.

It meets several criteria for me;

1. Haven't had a monster book in a while.
2. Is different than the confirmed 2021 releases (Adventure Compilation, Setting).
3. Fits neatly in July, between Ravenloft (May) and annual adventure (September).
4. Covers recent UA.

So I'm not certain, but it makes more sense than other things I can think of.
 

So, in reality, those two other classic settings are most likely FR and Dragonlance. Which is a bummer because there’s more FR and Drangonlance material already out there than there is for all the other settings combined. So it’s not like we actually need any more. I’m just not a fan of either so hold out hope they’ll give us something interesting like Al-Qadim, Dark Sun, Mystara, Nentir Vale, Planescape, or Spelljammer.
I could see them bringing back Al-Qadim in the form of a Desert of Desolation (which, no, was not in Al-Qadim originally) in a Ghosts of Saltmarsh-style book. Instead of the mini-gazetteer being about Saltmarsh, we'd instead get an overview of Al-Qadim and maybe a tighter zoom in on one region, along with a touch of player-facing combat. If the genie warlock wasn't in Tasha's, I would say that was meant for an Al-Qadim book.

That said, they could reprint that in the book and we never have much indication of what future adventures will be -- the ship rules were in UA, but I don't think many people jumped to the conclusion that we were about to see a Saltmarsh reprint.

But a Desert of Desolation/Al-Qadim book next spring would also check off a classic setting box, as well as being both part of the Forgotten Realms and something portable enough to use elsewhere.
 


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