D&D General NFTs Are Here To Ruin Dungeons & Dragons

Strangely, I have never worked for a company that shoots kittens out of canons. But thank you for your feedback.
I have no cause to doubt you on this. But I don't think it's escaped anyone's notice that you found time to answer a post about kitten cannons, but did not manage to respond to the several posters asking actual substantive questions about GRIPNRs business model.
 

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Dannyalcatraz

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I have no cause to doubt you on this. But I don't think it's escaped anyone's notice that you found time to answer a post about kitten cannons, but did not manage to respond to the several posters asking actual substantive questions about GRIPNRs business model.
To be fair, this person may not know those particulars, and may just defending the company based on their treatment of him.
 


Delve SRM

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I have no cause to doubt you on this. But I don't think it's escaped anyone's notice that you found time to answer a post about kitten cannons, but did not manage to respond to the several posters asking actual substantive questions about GRIPNRs business mode
I imagine it didn't. But I came here to talk about my experiences and goals. Our business model, as much as we released is explained on our website, you know, as every company does. Go ahead and ask Crawford, Mearls, or Bulmahn about the business models of their companies and watch them give you the same reaction. I'm a designer. That's what I do.
 
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I imagine it didn't. But I came here to talk about my experiences and goals. Our business model, as much, as we released is explained on our website, you know, as every company does. Go ahead and ask Crawford, Mearls, or Bulmahn about the business models of their companies and watch them give you the same reaction. I'm a designer. That's what I do.

I get that. And for one thing, I'm very glad to hear that conditions, pay etc are good over there. There should be more of that in the RPG industry (though I'm very much preaching to the choir there i expect...). I suppose that's one of the side-effects of working in a tech company - if you're an employer who treats techies the way that RPG creatives are routinely treated in the workplace, you'll very soon have no techies left...

But this thread is about NFTs and how they're being implemented and used. That's fundamentally all we can talk about regarding GRIPNR's offering because as far as I can tell there's very little info about the actual game material out there at all. If we had a setting preview or something of the Glimmering, then we'd at least be able to talk about that (though there's loooooots and lots of settings out there and without the NFT stuff, you'd need to do something pretty special to stand out from the crowd). And frankly, that lack of gaming detail is not a good sign to me, as an indicator of the company's priorities. The announcements have been 'NFTS!!! oh, and probably some cool D&D stuff too' rather than the new original game material being the selling point, and then explaining how NFTs, as an add-on to the game, will make it better.

As a gamer, I'm not sure how this makes life any better for me. It just sounds like a way of using fancy new tech to do what the RPGA has been doing quite happily for 20 years, ever since Living Greyhawk. Organised play has never been my thing, but still, i can see a number of ways in which this might make the experience actively worse, particularly by providing a financial incentive to minmax, powergame, play selfishly, etc etc.

As a tech guy in my day job, where i work with data, data integrity, financial transactions, security, anti-fraud etc all the time, I see no reason why NFTs, the blockchain, or any such technology is remotely necessary to do what is being described. The only thing i can think of is that it's easier to get publicity for, and coax investors to put money into, a startup that plasters buzzwords like 'NFTs' all over its prospectus as opposed to one that ... wants to create a rather routine SQL database with a web front end. And a lot of stuff makes a whole lot of no sense whatsoever. The selling point of crypto is its decentralised nature and lack of dependence on a central authority, yet this looks to be centralised to an amazing degree, where there's actually talk of having people literally watch video of entire game sessions so GRIPNR can verify there's no cheating or scamming going on. How that is ever going to work, how it is going to scale up to a larger userbase, and how GRIPNR are going to find/pay all these people with nothing better to do than audit other peoples' D&D sessions I find completely bewildering.

And perhaps finally and most importantly, I've also been involved in environmental volunteering and climate causes for ~15 years. From an environmental point of view NFTs (and crypto in all its forms) are radioactive gangrenous puppy cancer. GRIPNR may be a great place to work, everyone there may be entirely sincere and well-intentioned and honest - but the tech they're basing the whole sales pitch on is, at this crisis point in history, one of the single most cynical, destructive, decadent, and irresponsible artifacts of human civilisation's slow suicide that I could possibly imagine. Evaluating the offering of something like GRIPNR without discussing that is like ignoring the elephant in the room while it is actually in the process of goring you to death.
 

To be fair, this person may not know those particulars, and may just defending the company based on their treatment of him.
Which is like the unfortunate behaviour you often see in response to the #metoo movement, for example. "He can't be an abuser, he didn't abuse me!"

It's fallacious reasoning. If you don't know all the details, you ought not be inserting yourself into the discussion like that.
 

theliel

Explorer
I imagine it didn't. But I came here to talk about my experiences and goals. Our business model, as much as we released is explained on our website, you know, as every company does. Go ahead and ask Crawford, Mearls, or Bulmahn about the business models of their companies and watch them give you the same reaction. I'm a designer. That's what I do.
Then you're the wrong person to try to defend the company, because no one really cares about another heartbreaker, the question is about what, exactly, an NFT provides that a standard centralized hosted database does not and so far none of the 'gaming nfts' has provided an answer.

Because as The Line Goes Up points out, an NFT is just a token, and in order to accept the token a project has to built a token accepting machine. But that token, and the associated proof of ownership, could simply be stored in a centralized database because the company accepting the token has to keep everything associated with it in a database already for it to be used.

Liberally every usecase for NFTs is adding mountains of complexity and failurepoints for 0 value-add for a company unless that company is either running the exchange [which you could do with a standard digital storefront & ecommerce backend, taking a larger vig because you're not paying Gas] or a ponzy scheme.

It's not surprising that a tech company doesn't pay a pittance, and compared to TTRPG positions Jr. Q&A posts are unbelievably well compensated in comparison, so it's no surprise that working for a tech company making an RPG isn't awful.

That doesn't answer the inherent question "Why?" and the marketing materials on the website fail to address foundational questions about the usecase and value add of the NFT, especially in this situation.
 

Fanaelialae

Legend
Which is like the unfortunate behaviour you often see in response to the #metoo movement, for example. "He can't be an abuser, he didn't abuse me!"

It's fallacious reasoning. If you don't know all the details, you ought not be inserting yourself into the discussion like that.
It's selling NFTs, not rape. And from my reading of his post, I didn't see him saying that they CAN'T be running a scam, just that everything he's seen has been above board, which is fair.

I mean, none of us know all the details. If that's the minimum necessary criteria to participate in this thread, then none of us should be discussing this.

Does that mean that I think this NFT business is a good idea? No. Do I think it's a scam? I'm certainly wary of it. But I think he has as much of a right (if not more) as anyone to participate in this discussion and share his side.
 

Mallus

Legend
Another potential benefit of this endeavor: Dan Olson's "level goes up" video.

Also, since some (lucky) people are making money now from NFT's made from literally anything, why not grab a few of your old character sheets, mint them on OpenSea, and roll the proverbial (percentile) dice?

Then go back to playing tabletop RPGs online using Rol20 or Zoom or the any of the services sane people use.
 

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