No 5e threads for now, please

[Pseudonym]

More then likely what the time frame or milestone is will not be announced.

I thought it was two encounters without an extended rest.

 

[Pseudonym]

I'm not sure two encounters is really enough time. I imagine the mods would like to take an extended rest from the 5E threads.

D'oh! Missed it by 1 minute.

 

[Fifth Element]

D'oh! Missed it by 1 minute.

My higher post count gives me an initiative bonus.

 

[fanboy2000]

1. This thread should probably be locked.

Probably.

2. The problem with 5e threads is that people take them as a license to engage in what would otherwise be stunningly poor slippery slope reasoning and veiled edition warring:

"Based on the direction 4e has chosen, it seems likely that 5e will be shrinkwrapped with a rabies infected rat. You will have to pay a monthly service fee. If you don't, WotC will break into your house and take your books. If you do, they give you a new rat each month."

Emphasis mine.

I've seen a lot of interesting, non-flaming arguments start with that phrase. I've also seen a lot of "rabies infected rat" arguments start with that phrase.

Here's the problem as I see it: 2nd screwed it up for everyone else. 2e has lots of fans. I have one in my group, and I've talked to some others recently. But I remember when I first started playing during the 2e era, every D&D player I met hated 2e and loved 1e. Every single one. Now, it's possible (even likely) that my experience isn't typical. However, I will note that when WotC took over TSR one of the first things they did was put out new Greyhawk products. The first 3e rumor I heard (after hearing the rumor that they were going to do 3e, was that the monk and half-orc were coming back to the main rulebooks.

Other RPGs have new editions. Shadowrun has 4, Paranoia and Traveller both have several, Vampire: The Masquarade had 3 and many old World of Darkness games had at least 2, but for some reason it seems to me that AD&D 2e ruined it for future editions.

3. This thread should probably be locked.

Probably.

 

[Psion]

Why do you hate HERO 5e?

My higher post count gives me an initiative bonus.

/me backstabs the flat-footed 5E (Fifth Element, that is)

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I humbly suggest...if you want to discuss these interesting mechanics without raising the specter of a 5Ed thread, you could simply do it in the 4Ed HR section.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Here's the problem as I see it: 2nd screwed it up for everyone else. 2e has lots of fans. I have one in my group, and I've talked to some others recently.

I agree on blaming 2e...i disagree on why. You see back when 1e became 2e it was alot of little things adding up. Infact many people where useing house rules for 1e simalar to 2e. (I have even herd it ssaid that 'true' D&D is in mixing those two systems.)

How ever it lasted for a long time. Back in the early 90's or mid 90's it was still going, and new products never looked like they would stop. I know my group at the time WotC anounced 3e laughed...how could you improve on perfection. Then I started reading previews in Dragon. I was one of the first to buy the 3.0 book in my group.

As of last saterday when we were all talking about it (me, 3 people from my old 2e days, 2 people who only played 2e a little, and my brother in law that skiped 2e, and 3.0, then only played 3 games in 3.5) and the general thought was weather you liked or hated 3/3.5/4e none of us could go back to thac0 on a regular basies...

Now how is this a problem...people expect 2e life span on all edtions...how ever it just is not hapening...My guess is we will never see a true 10+ year edtion again...and I am very split on how I feel about that...

Other RPGs have new editions. Shadowrun has 4, Paranoia and Traveller both have several, Vampire: The Masquarade had 3 and many old World of Darkness games had at least 2, but for some reason it seems to me that AD&D 2e ruined it for future editions.

Aren't Gurps and Cathulu both eaither in double digits or close for edtions...and both came out AFTER D&D....

some how D&D was the only system people thought of as "never changeing"

 

[Noumenon]

the mods & Morrus run things,

I was wondering who the "us" was in the original announcement.

 

[I'm A Banana]

It is a little weird. I enjoy theoretical ideas of how the game will evolve. I think 4e went a few more steps into asking people what D&D "is" (e.g.: combat-based kill monsters and take stuff, or dungeon survival and resource management), and 5e discussion continues that idea.

But then I realize that people will sometimes take almost any opening to go edition warring...

While as I'd be more interested in 5E threads talking about how they can come to their senses and take the game back closer to 3E and prior.

Ah, yes, I can see now how 5e discussion can bring out the sniping in posters. Maybe not a bad choice for a few months.

We've got 4e 'till at least 2013, by the earliest bet, so as long as the ban is lifeted by 2010, that still gives us a year or two to poke and prod the potential designers of 5e with our message board conversations.

Still, I hope the ban does get lifted, soon. You'd think after a year of edition wars, people would be able to ignore comments like the one above and go on to discuss things of substance, rather than feeding the attack dogs.

 

[fanboy2000]

How ever it lasted for a long time. Back in the early 90's or mid 90's it was still going, and new products never looked like they would stop.

I started playing in the late 90s so, and I didn't think it would stop either.

As of last saterday when we were all talking about it (me, 3 people from my old 2e days, 2 people who only played 2e a little, and my brother in law that skiped 2e, and 3.0, then only played 3 games in 3.5) and the general thought was weather you liked or hated 3/3.5/4e none of us could go back to thac0 on a regular basies...

It is weird, isn't it? To be honest, I was never comfortable with 2e combat.

Now how is this a problem...people expect 2e life span on all edtions...how ever it just is not hapening...My guess is we will never see a true 10+ year edtion again...and I am very split on how I feel about that...

Me to. Frankly, I wanted 3.5 to keep going. I knew that a 4th edition would really split the community. Now I love 4th as much as I loved 3.0 and as much as I loved 3.5. It's possible I'm just a D&D slut.

Aren't Gurps and Cathulu both eaither in double digits or close for edtions...and both came out AFTER D&D....

GURPS is on 4th. 3rd lasted a good long while, but I believe they put out a revised 3rd at some point. IIRC Call of Cuthul is on 6th, not counting the d20 version. Hero put out a revision of their 5th edition not to long ago.