Nominations are up!!

[andrew_kenrick]

Honorable Mention is just shy of a nomination, and should be something to be proud of.

I'm certainly proud of our Honorable Mention, especially as it was in the Best Product category! Assuming that doesn't turn out to be a typo too ...

 

[JoeGKushner]

And man oh man Crooks was an awesome book. Sort of like Shackled City.

--Erik

It's the only 1st ed M&M book that I kept. (Man I wish that could get updated to 2nd ed.)

 

[Dextra]

well said

I can't speak for this precise situation, but when I was a judge, the "Honorable Mentions" were made because there were more great entries than nomination slots. It's a sign of a very strong roster of entries, not "well, it's the only other entry, so let's mention it." That was never an issue. Products were either good enough to be nominated, or they weren't. Honorable Mention is just shy of a nomination, and should be something to be proud of.

That's basically the situation. Quite a few of our "Honourable Mentions" were the losers of ties between themselves and another nominee (who got the fifth spot on the nomination list). There's no shame to be had in an HM!

 

[Jonny Nexus]

I can't speak for this precise situation, but when I was a judge, the "Honorable Mentions" were made because there were more great entries than nomination slots. It's a sign of a very strong roster of entries, not "well, it's the only other entry, so let's mention it." That was never an issue. Products were either good enough to be nominated, or they weren't. Honorable Mention is just shy of a nomination, and should be something to be proud of.

Yeah, maybe.

Still sounds like something you tell the fat kid at sportsday: Kid, ya didn't win the race, but you made us all laugh, and that's something too!

I think also, it seems a much lesser honour, because:

a) well, it is; and

b) you can't easily use it as a tag line to your product.

For example, in this thread alone you have (in sigs):

Etherscope: the Lemurian Candidate - nominated for Best Adventure, ENnie Awards 2006

And:

Check out the Ennies Nominated Gates of Hell!

I would have said, "The ENnie nominated Critical Miss."

But you can't really say: "The ENnie honourably mentioned Critical Miss" because that's ungrammatical. And you can't say, "Critical Miss: winner of an ENnie Honourable Mention" because it's not something you win. So you end up with, "Critical Miss: receiver of an ENnie Honourable Mention", which just sounds really awkward and contrived and just a tad desperate.

So I know I'm sounding terribly ungrateful here, but given that it's firstly a lesser recognition, and secondly, one that you can't really mention in sigs and adverts and stuff because the words are too tangled... well it kind of ends up feeling like not much more than a pat on the back which you may as well just say thanks, and then not mention again.

Which isn't a complaint. There was a top five. I wasn't in it. That's the way competition works. There's nothing so despised as a sore loser, and my intention in coming onto this thread was to make a joke, not whine.

So I'll shut up now and suck it up.

 

[Turjan]

So you end up with, "Critical Miss: receiver of an ENnie Honourable Mention", which just sounds really awkward and contrived and just a tad desperate.

The Honourable Jonny Nexus, critically missing his shot at the ENnies.

No, doesn't work either.

 

[Jonny Nexus]

The Honourable Jonny Nexus, critically missing his shot at the ENnies.

No, doesn't work either.

LOL

 

[buzz]

Very happy to see SC2.0 receive so many nominations. It's easily my pick for best d20-type-thing of the year.

I'll admit to disappointment at the lack of IH-love, though. I've had a number of opportunities to play it, and I haven't seen any of the reservations Joe mentioned impact play at all. IMO, it's a quantum leap for d20 fantasy.

...the only one which I'd thought might be there that wasn't is True20, which I think has the potential to be a real gateway to new genres of OGL roleplaying.

If IH can be overlooked for the reasons that Joe enumerated, so can True20.

 

[JoeGKushner]

If IH can be overlooked for the reasons that Joe enumerated, so can True20.

And I did.

For me, True20 wasn't simple enough if that was what it was going for and if not, it lacked enough system to move me as a reader. I was like, "Wow, these are like Bob's house notes for his game."

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Yeah, maybe.

Still sounds like something you tell the fat kid at sportsday: Kid, ya didn't win the race, but you made us all laugh, and that's something too!

It isn't. By any stretch.

I think also, it seems a much lesser honour, because:

a) well, it is; and

b) you can't easily use it as a tag line to your product.

I would have said, "The ENnie nominated Critical Miss."

But you can't really say: "The ENnie honourably mentioned Critical Miss" because that's ungrammatical. And you can't say, "Critical Miss: winner of an ENnie Honourable Mention" because it's not something you win. So you end up with, "Critical Miss: receiver of an ENnie Honourable Mention", which just sounds really awkward and contrived and just a tad desperate.

I've seen products use the "ENnies Honorable Mention" bit.

So I know I'm sounding terribly ungrateful here, but given that it's firstly a lesser recognition, and secondly, one that you can't really mention in sigs and adverts and stuff because the words are too tangled... well it kind of ends up feeling like not much more than a pat on the back which you may as well just say thanks, and then not mention again.

The judges were presumably so torn about the product that they felt it had to be mentioned, when it very easily could not have been. To simply dismiss the Honorable Mention with a "that's nice, so what?" attitude is unfortunate. It was recognized. Do with that what you will.

Which isn't a complaint. There was a top five. I wasn't in it. That's the way competition works. There's nothing so despised as a sore loser, and my intention in coming onto this thread was to make a joke, not whine.

So I'll shut up now and suck it up.

You were given a mention as being so good they had to go out of their way to do so. Sounds like a positive thing to me, no matter how you rationalize it isn't.

 

[Umbran]

IMO (and it's just my opinion), what the publisher decides to call the product is irrelevant to the category.

Yes, a given product may well fit into multiple categories. But the question of whether one product should be allowed to receive multiple nominations isn't exactly clear cut. I don't think there's a clear single answer - it is more a matter of policy and what you want out of awards.