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Non-Core Class Survivor: The Warlock is the Sole Survivor!

Which class do you feel should be the winner?

  • Scout (Complete Adventurer)

    Votes: 115 39.4%
  • Warlock (Complete Arcane)

    Votes: 177 60.6%

I played a warlock-scout, so HA. Fun character, terrible campaign. But warlock all the way. If you don't like the flavor, I played one as a gestalt class with cleric that was redone to mimic a celestial (long backstory, but great character, trust me).

Warlock forever!

P.S. Spellthief is kinda dumb I think.
 

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Technically, it isn't a list of most liked, but of least hated. Of course, I'm sure there's overlap and the lists might end up being the same anyway, but I think the distinction is important enough to be made.
 

fiddlerjones said:
I played a warlock-scout, so HA. Fun character, terrible campaign. But warlock all the way. If you don't like the flavor, I played one as a gestalt class with cleric that was redone to mimic a celestial (long backstory, but great character, trust me).

Warlock forever!

P.S. Spellthief is kinda dumb I think.

In my experience, the spellthief has been the funnest class to play in D&D. Ever.

Stealing a spell or spell-like ability is incredibly fun, because you soon find yourself with a spell (often one you are unfamiliar with) and wondering how you can use it to best effect in your current situation. There is so much a spellthief can do, besides stealing spells, too - you can steal spell-like abilities, energy resistances... there's nothing more fun than stealing a critter's electrical resistance 10, and then stealing it's lightning attack and blasting him with it. Trust me on this one.

There are problems with the spellthief, but the biggest one I've heard (that the spellthief requires the GM to put special monsters in the game to utilize the spellthief's powers) is bunk - the only time the spellthief is a useless class is when you play in a game based entirely around heavy-hitter critters with no special abilities to speak of.

(Coincidentally, my GM wound up doing just this, because he had one of those "GM must win over the players" complexes that gets rather annoying. And, it's true - a spellthief will ALWAYS lose against an ogre/hill giant/big thing with a club).

The main problems with the spellthief are that it has a huge number of skills it needs and not enough skill points to use them (the typical spellthief needs hide, move silently, disable device, search, spellcraft, concentration - at the bare minimum - and that's not counting in spot, listen, open luck, tumble, bluff, use magic device...). The class also suffers from a weak spell list that I thought was stupid for a magical character (why does he only get a 4 level progression? I think the class would be better off with a customized 6 level progression, like the bard). The other big problem is that when stealing spells, the spellthief inflicts damage - at lower levels, this often meant I was killing whoever I was stealing spells from, which, while fine mechanically, kind of robs the class of some of it's flavour.

The class also has a large ability drain (charisma, dexterity, and intelligence, and, speaking from experience, a low-wisdom spellthief is CRAP). On the plus side, the spellthief can be used to effectively double the casting output of the group's main caster, which might not necessarily be a fun role to play, but it can be damn useful in a party.

By the way, I think it's rather ironic that the spellthief, the first class voted off the island as it were, would easily be able to defeat the survivor in a one-on-one combat.
 

ThirdWizard said:
Technically, it isn't a list of most liked, but of least hated. Of course, I'm sure there's overlap and the lists might end up being the same anyway, but I think the distinction is important enough to be made.

It's also not a list of least hated.

It's a list of having been voted off last, which somewhat resembles a list of least liked.

If it was impossible to see the poll results before voting and there were no comments (and no outside communication), then maybe it would be such a list. ;)

But as it is, many people will look at the results first and then restrict their vote to one of the leading classes in the current vote, since, naturally, everyone wants his or her vote to have some impact on the outcome. :)

Bye
Thanee
 

Thanee said:
If it was impossible to see the poll results before voting and there were no comments (and no outside communication), then maybe it would be such a list. ;)

But as it is, many people will look at the results first and then restrict their vote to one of the leading classes in the current vote, since, naturally, everyone wants his or her vote to have some impact on the outcome. :)

I'll note I tried doing this a couple of the rounds. I clicked the option to make the poll results only available when the poll was over, but it never "took." Either it's disabled, requires a Mod to set it up, or else is incompatible with the timed polls.
 

Well, it's certainly not your fault, those are ideal situations for such a poll, that don't really exist. :)

BTW, where's the first thread? Wasn't that on general? I couldn't find it anymore...

Bye
Thanee
 

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Thanee said:
Well, it's certainly not your fault, those are ideal situations for such a poll, that don't really exist. :)
Yeah, but it was an experiment I wanted to try. I wasn't heartbroken that it didn't work (the round I tried it I initally called "the mystery round," but the real mystery would have been what the mystery was ;) )

BTW, where's the first thread? Wasn't that on general? I couldn't find it anymore...
It was, but it wasn't numbered, it was just titled "Non-Core Class Survivor"
 

I had sorted the forum both by name (looking at N...) and user name (looking at G...). Couldn't find it.

Round 4 also isn't there. All other threads are.

Ah, found it now... it was not labeled General (but WotC; R4 was under Gen-Con :p), I had only listed the General topics, to cut down the search hits.

CLICK

Bye
Thanee
 
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Thanee said:
If it was impossible to see the poll results before voting and there were no comments (and no outside communication), then maybe it would be such a list. ;)

Hmmm...if you are logged in and have not yet voted, you can't see the poll results before the poll is closed (or at least so I found it). But I guess some people could log out (or not yet be logged in) and look at the polls.

And one can always look at the comments.
 


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