NOOO! Jar Jar to appear in Return of the Jedi DVD

[Klaus]

It would not surpise me if they take out all of the pupet Jabba in RotJ and put in a CGI Jabba.

Which would be a shame, since that HUGE puppet is the best Jabba yet!

 

[Villano]

Are they replacing Shaw's face when Luke removes his helmet as he is dieing, or when he appears in astral form at the very end?

You know, that didn't even occur to me. I was just thinking about him as the "ghost" at the end. I'm now depressed.

 

[John Crichton]

Larry Kasdan and Leigh Bracket wrote the screenplay to Empire, and Irvin Kershner directed it. Larry also was co-credited with Lucas on the screenplay of Jedi, and Richard Marquand has the director's credit.

But yeah, I think that's really all the new movies have needed. The stories themselves are fine, but the dialogue and pacing in particular are what drag the movies down.

I've never liked Lucas directing style, myself and I have very little issue with the SEs. My one complaint about the prequels has been the overall directing. It would have done Lucas well to hand over the reigns to one of his ILM pals or to another industry friend. Free him up for more FX work.

As for the changes to the original films, he can do whatever he wants and it won't bug me. But the originals need to be preserved and released. I still think it will happen. May not be until Lucas is dead or years from now but it will happen.

 

[mojo1701]

But the originals need to be preserved and released. I still think it will happen.

Remind you of South Park: "Free Hat" anyone?

 

[rbingham2000]

As for Hayden replacing Shaw in the unmasking of Vader, I certainly hope not.

And there's a simple reason why: a lot of years has passed since the rise of the Empire and the almost total destruction of the Jedi. Vader is not immune to aging, and it just falls out that he's going to look a bit different from when he was young and wild Anakin.

 

[John Crichton]

Remind you of South Park: "Free Hat" anyone?

Doh.

I'm not getting the reference. Only watched 2 seasons of South Park...

 

[Mouseferatu]

Lucas has made more changes than that. Just for example...

The conversation between Vader and the Emperor in ESB is different. He didn't just insert Ian McDiarmid into the same conversation, he changed the conversation.

He's redubbed Boba Fett's voice with Temuera Morrison. Yes, I know he's revealed that Boba is a clone of Jango, but come on. This is going way too far. (Besides, why would Boba Fett still have the same accent? If you want to get nitpicky about it, I mean.)

I forget who said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Lucas is proving his mind to be, in this respect, remarkably little.

 

[John Crichton]

Lucas has made more changes than that. Just for example...

The conversation between Vader and the Emperor in ESB is different. He didn't just insert Ian McDiarmid into the same conversation, he changed the conversation.

He's redubbed Boba Fett's voice with Temuera Morrison. Yes, I know he's revealed that Boba is a clone of Jango, but come on. This is going way too far. (Besides, why would Boba Fett still have the same accent? If you want to get nitpicky about it, I mean.)

I forget who said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Lucas is proving his mind to be, in this respect, remarkably little.

I think that one of the key things that people (that's people in general, not specifically yourself, Mouseferatu) are missing here is that these changes aren't so bad and we haven't even seen them yet. They are only viewed as attrocities because Lucas has been unwaivering as of yet to release anything but these versions of the films on DVD. If he simply made the originals available at the same time with some minor film clean up then the fuss wouldn't be as bad.

When putting together all 6 films and trying to make them all sync up when they were made 28 years apart of course there are going to be changes. I don't mind him trying to make everything mold together like this. And I understand that this is supposed to be the definitive version of the Star Wars Saga: The Rise, Fall and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. It also makes sense that Lucas doesn't want to further confuse people with multiple versions floating around at the same time. There are plenty of people who would be confused.

However, the originals should still be made available. If not now then somewhere down the line. There are multiple reasons to make the changes and there are many reasons to preserve the original vision. I bet if you took a poll we see that the main problem here is not the changes themselves but the disreguard for the previous work. I don't see these changes as a problem. People would still be making noise if none of these changes were made and the original films didn't mesh well with the final product - none of which we have seen yet.

Additionally, this is the first time something like this has ever been tried. I say cut the guy a little slack, enjoy the DVDs and wait for him to open his eyes and release the OT. But that's just me...

 

[Mouseferatu]

I think that one of the key things that people (that's people in general, not specifically yourself, Mouseferatu) are missing here is that these changes aren't so bad and we haven't even seen them yet. They are only viewed as attrocities because Lucas has been unwaivering as of yet to release anything but these versions of the films on DVD. If he simply made the originals available at the same time with some minor film clean up then the fuss wouldn't be as bad.

When putting together all 6 films and trying to make them all sync up when they were made 28 years apart of course there are going to be changes. I don't mind him trying to make everything mold together like this. And I understand that this is supposed to be the definitive version of the Star Wars Saga: The Rise, Fall and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. It also makes sense that Lucas doesn't want to further confuse people with multiple versions floating around at the same time. There are plenty of people who would be confused.

However, the originals should still be made available. If not now then somewhere down the line. There are multiple reasons to make the changes and there are many reasons to preserve the original vision. I bet if you took a poll we see that the main problem here is not the changes themselves but the disreguard for the previous work. I don't see these changes as a problem. People would still be making noise if none of these changes were made and the original films didn't mesh well with the final product - none of which we have seen yet.

Additionally, this is the first time something like this has ever been tried. I say cut the guy a little slack, enjoy the DVDs and wait for him to open his eyes and release the OT. But that's just me...

Actually, I've heard sound bites of part of the Emperor/Vader conversation. It is that bad, because the change violates continuity and throws the motives behind Vader's actions for the first half of the movie into doubt. I suppose it's possible that, at some point earlier in the movie, they say something else to clear it up--but then, why change it in the first place?

It's not just about things being different. I feel thatmany of the changes Lucas made, for the SE and the current DVDs, are bad. Greedo shooting first? Bad. Luke's dialogue to R2 on Dagobah changing? Bad. Luke screaming in the shaft on Bespin? Bad. Vader's poorly dubbed and unnecessary dialogue change when leaving Bespin? Bad. The new conversation between Vader and the Emperor? Bad. Hayden instead of Shaw? Bad.

All IMO, of course. And I know that you weren't talking specifically about me, so I hope I'm not coming across as argumentative. I just want to make it clear that this is not about old grognards whining. There really is, in the minds of many, a true qualitative difference.

However, your ultimate point--that the original versions should be available no matter what else Lucas does--I agree with six million percent.

 

[Kai Lord]

It's not just about things being different. I feel thatmany of the changes Lucas made, for the SE and the current DVDs, are bad.

Yep. Every single instance of a character or dialogue change in the SE's was worse than the original version. Some of the effects were a LOT better though, and that does help to even things up a bit.

Star Wars was always kind of goofy and rough around the edges, so if they slop up some changes while adding some spectacular new SFX, it isn't as noticeable, and I actually prefer the SE to the original. But The Empire Strikes Back, as the experience it used to be, has been utterly ruined. Oh well, LOTR is better than even the original ESB, so at least I can't lament the fact that Lucas screwed with my favorite movie of all time anymore.

ROTJ has always been cool, but in time I did recognize the disappointment it was after the spectacular set up by ESB. Adding Gungans won't be the first silly thing included in the movie. Its not like they'll be replacing cheering Rebel troops, they'll most likely be inserted in place of some celebrating...ewoks. Not a huge step down. But poor, poor ESB. And it didn't have to be so.

I'll still get the DVD's for SW and ROTJ and the Hoth battle of ESB, but I just don't think I can stomach girlie man Luke screaming as he falls during what used to be the most dramatic moment in the history of sci-fi and Chris Tucker saying "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival."