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Everything looks good, actually. That Sebastian Shaw picture looks much better with it as pale as it is now.Kai Lord said:
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NOOO! Jar Jar to appear in Return of the Jedi DVD
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Orius
Unrepentant DM Supremacist
A few thoughts:
Improved Jabba graphics are good. This scene was something Lucas originally filmed, but dropped because he couldn't come up with a good concept for Jabba. The original footage has some fat guy in a furry suit. I'd rather have the CGI Jabba.
Improved Emperor graphics from ESB are good too. The original does look bad after nearly 25 years. Not to mention continuity problems; hologram from Eps 1-3 look better than holograms from Eps 4-6 which take place afterwards.
No problem with Naboo celebrating, I suppose this will be stuck in at the end of RotJ where the whole galaxy celebrates the death of Palpatine. RotJ SE gave us a first glimpse of Coruscant, even though it was never part of the OT, so showing Naboo isn't a big deal to me.
Vader's lightsaber properly colored: maked it look more professional or whatever. Some of the lightsaber effects, especially in the original Star Wars look bad. It would be good if he also removed the lightsaber shadows from the final duel in RotJ.
Greedo still shoots first: Boo! Hiss!
Anakin's ghost turns into young punk Anakin: Boo! Hiss!
Improved Jabba graphics are good. This scene was something Lucas originally filmed, but dropped because he couldn't come up with a good concept for Jabba. The original footage has some fat guy in a furry suit. I'd rather have the CGI Jabba.
Improved Emperor graphics from ESB are good too. The original does look bad after nearly 25 years. Not to mention continuity problems; hologram from Eps 1-3 look better than holograms from Eps 4-6 which take place afterwards.
No problem with Naboo celebrating, I suppose this will be stuck in at the end of RotJ where the whole galaxy celebrates the death of Palpatine. RotJ SE gave us a first glimpse of Coruscant, even though it was never part of the OT, so showing Naboo isn't a big deal to me.
Vader's lightsaber properly colored: maked it look more professional or whatever. Some of the lightsaber effects, especially in the original Star Wars look bad. It would be good if he also removed the lightsaber shadows from the final duel in RotJ.
Greedo still shoots first: Boo! Hiss!
Anakin's ghost turns into young punk Anakin: Boo! Hiss!
Kai Lord
Hero
I'm wholeheartedly looking forward to the new SW:SE. All the changes look to be improvements over the previous SE. I really don't mind the Jabba scene. It may not flow as smoothly as without, but it was filmed in 1976 and is indeed a piece of SW history. It might be an editing revision, but it isn't a story revision, which I think is a key distinction.
To the coloring of Vader's lightsaber, I can only say FINALLY. That was literally the first thing I was assuming they'd fix for 1997 and was shocked to see it in plain white magnified onto a giant theater screen. The correction will make the whole SE endeaver feel more complete.
The *only* thing I'm not happy with in the SE is the Greedo scene, but it doesn't trump all the good of the new X-Wing footage at the end and other enhancments throughout. So the SE has a less cool Han opener and a more thrilling Death Star battle. I'll have to side in favor of the SE, Death Star all the way.
I just hope they redo Red Leader's collision with the Death Star! One of the worst effects in the whole trilogy and they could make it look so badass! Hope they do. But I figure if it had been changed we would have seen a shot of it on that site Mouseferatu linked to. Oh well. The other change I'd make is when Han says, "Don't worry, I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose 'em," and then they cut to the Falcon flying IN A STRAIGHT LINE. Whoa, those are some maneuvers Han. I'd like it if they replaced that shot with a juking and rolling Falcon.
And with all the furor toward Lucas over Greedo, the funny thing is I honestly don't believe he *likes* the new scene. Its just that he didn't want it to look like Han was shooting a guy who wasn't a split second a way from shooting him. What Lucas doesn't understand is that we all *know* that Greedo was about to blast Han, we knew it 27 years ago and we know it today. But for whatever reason he thinks it makes Han look like more than a scroundel, he thinks it makes him look like a cold blooded killer.
Given that that's George's perception of the scene, I can respect his decision. A good message and good morals are more important than even the "kewlest" of scenes, the problem is George didn't have enough to work with to revise the scene and still make it "kewl." They couldn't do the whole scene over with a 35 year old Harrison Ford, and who knows if any of those set pieces are still even in existence. Which left George to play around with the editing and try and pick a shot where Greedo's blaster wasn't pointed directly at Han's face.
I'm sure George cringes just as much as we do at how sloppy and contrived the whole thing looks, I mean really all it would have taken was a hilarious wise crack from Han at the expense of Greedo's aim at the end of the scene and we would have all been clapping and laughing our asses off. But that just wasn't an option and its hardly a pivotal scene in the overall story (unlike say, Luke's decision to *silently* fall to his death in Bespin...) so I don't see it as a huge deal.
The ESB:SE is pretty much DOA for me, however, for reasons already mentioned. Confirmation that all of Jeremy Bulloch's lines as Boba Fett have been redubbed by Temeira Merueson(sp) and the dialogue change between Vader and the Emperor just seals the deal. They might as well have Snowtroopers storming echo base with walkie-talkies and Gungans cheering when Luke gets his new hand. I'll keep my laserdisc player hooked up to my TV and will just watch the THX LD until I pick up a bootleg DVD of the original.
Which leaves ROTJ:SE. A lot of notsalgia and some great moments, but its always had its fair share of unkewlness. Luke not actually cutting anyone with his lightsaber at the Sarlacc Pit. The atrocious acting when Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams part company on the Rebel Cruiser. The lazy Leia-as-Luke's sister subplot. Ewoks. And so on. Now if they cut out that badass shot of Luke standing in front of Vader's blazing funeral pyre and replace it with cheering gungans then I'd be pissed. But cutting out two seconds of dorky ewoks celebrating and replacing it with two seconds of dorky gungans celebrating isn't that huge a step down. A step down yes, but it doesn't break the movie.
I can even live with Anakin's ghost morphing back to Hayden Christiansen. At least it doesn't morph into Jake Lloyd! Oh the horror!
To the coloring of Vader's lightsaber, I can only say FINALLY. That was literally the first thing I was assuming they'd fix for 1997 and was shocked to see it in plain white magnified onto a giant theater screen. The correction will make the whole SE endeaver feel more complete.
The *only* thing I'm not happy with in the SE is the Greedo scene, but it doesn't trump all the good of the new X-Wing footage at the end and other enhancments throughout. So the SE has a less cool Han opener and a more thrilling Death Star battle. I'll have to side in favor of the SE, Death Star all the way.
I just hope they redo Red Leader's collision with the Death Star! One of the worst effects in the whole trilogy and they could make it look so badass! Hope they do. But I figure if it had been changed we would have seen a shot of it on that site Mouseferatu linked to. Oh well. The other change I'd make is when Han says, "Don't worry, I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose 'em," and then they cut to the Falcon flying IN A STRAIGHT LINE. Whoa, those are some maneuvers Han. I'd like it if they replaced that shot with a juking and rolling Falcon.
And with all the furor toward Lucas over Greedo, the funny thing is I honestly don't believe he *likes* the new scene. Its just that he didn't want it to look like Han was shooting a guy who wasn't a split second a way from shooting him. What Lucas doesn't understand is that we all *know* that Greedo was about to blast Han, we knew it 27 years ago and we know it today. But for whatever reason he thinks it makes Han look like more than a scroundel, he thinks it makes him look like a cold blooded killer.
Given that that's George's perception of the scene, I can respect his decision. A good message and good morals are more important than even the "kewlest" of scenes, the problem is George didn't have enough to work with to revise the scene and still make it "kewl." They couldn't do the whole scene over with a 35 year old Harrison Ford, and who knows if any of those set pieces are still even in existence. Which left George to play around with the editing and try and pick a shot where Greedo's blaster wasn't pointed directly at Han's face.
I'm sure George cringes just as much as we do at how sloppy and contrived the whole thing looks, I mean really all it would have taken was a hilarious wise crack from Han at the expense of Greedo's aim at the end of the scene and we would have all been clapping and laughing our asses off. But that just wasn't an option and its hardly a pivotal scene in the overall story (unlike say, Luke's decision to *silently* fall to his death in Bespin...) so I don't see it as a huge deal.
The ESB:SE is pretty much DOA for me, however, for reasons already mentioned. Confirmation that all of Jeremy Bulloch's lines as Boba Fett have been redubbed by Temeira Merueson(sp) and the dialogue change between Vader and the Emperor just seals the deal. They might as well have Snowtroopers storming echo base with walkie-talkies and Gungans cheering when Luke gets his new hand. I'll keep my laserdisc player hooked up to my TV and will just watch the THX LD until I pick up a bootleg DVD of the original.
Which leaves ROTJ:SE. A lot of notsalgia and some great moments, but its always had its fair share of unkewlness. Luke not actually cutting anyone with his lightsaber at the Sarlacc Pit. The atrocious acting when Harrison Ford and Billy Dee Williams part company on the Rebel Cruiser. The lazy Leia-as-Luke's sister subplot. Ewoks. And so on. Now if they cut out that badass shot of Luke standing in front of Vader's blazing funeral pyre and replace it with cheering gungans then I'd be pissed. But cutting out two seconds of dorky ewoks celebrating and replacing it with two seconds of dorky gungans celebrating isn't that huge a step down. A step down yes, but it doesn't break the movie.
I can even live with Anakin's ghost morphing back to Hayden Christiansen. At least it doesn't morph into Jake Lloyd! Oh the horror!
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Knightfall
World of Kulan DM
mojo1701 said:
Funny. That episode was just on Teletoon here in Canada tonight. Then I went online and read this thread for the first time.
Where's a rocket-wielding kiddie drug addict when you need 'em. Shame on George!
Kai Lord
Hero
Well what do you you know, some good freaking news about the new ESB:SE.
Luke no longer screams when he lets go of the gantry in Cloud City! Hallelujah. Literally the worst revision in cinema history, in my mind. Thank God its been undone. Nice one George. For LOTS more spoilers about the new changes on the upcoming DVD's, check out the forum here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf...did=183770&perpage=30&display=&pagenumber=234
Luke no longer screams when he lets go of the gantry in Cloud City! Hallelujah. Literally the worst revision in cinema history, in my mind. Thank God its been undone. Nice one George. For LOTS more spoilers about the new changes on the upcoming DVD's, check out the forum here: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf...did=183770&perpage=30&display=&pagenumber=234
