Not Everyone Is Interested In Being Taken Out Of Context

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So, I got quoted out of context and a bunch of old-guard gamers are all fired up to defend their sacred way of life.

What is it about powergaming that puts people on the defensive and makes them feel illegitimate? What is it that causes the fiery speeches about how "If we're having fun, then darn it, that's good enough for us!" Why are people threatened by other peoples' competence?

Some of you will no doubt want specifics. Yes, I stated that "everyone" "who isn't new" knows of Divine Metamagic: Persistent and what can be accomplished with it. Within minutes of that post, I posted in response to someone else's comment, clarifying that this should definitely be taken in context. Here's the context - this occurred in a character-optimization thread. As such, I don't feel that there is anything inaccurate or threatening about the statement that everyone who builds optimized characters who isn't new to char optimization will have some inkling of how divine metamagic: persistent works.

Of course, the nuances were lost. My interlocutor crossposted and triggered a rantfest in the GENERAL forum about how powergamers don't fit in with other people. Hello? Character optimization thread? Context?

I realize that asking people to investigate things fully on the internet, particularly on a messageboard, is futile. The reply button is right there, after all, and the main point of a forum is that users entertain themselves by posting their knee-jerk responses. I'm fine with that.

But really, the next time you're going to quote someone, try doing it in context.
 

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moritheil said:
What is it about powergaming that puts people on the defensive and makes them feel illegitimate?
Insert random Freud comment here.
I realize that asking people to investigate things fully on the internet, particularly on a messageboard, is futile....
True. However, quite a few regular readers of ENWorld didn't post there.

Deep breath everyone.

Dave
 



moritheil said:
Not Everyone Is Interested In Being Taken Out

When you say "Taken out" do you mean to dinner, or being killed mafia style?

I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.
 

Cheer up sir ... it's easy to get quoted out of context in a just text forum. The normal nuances of conversation, of course, are often totally lost. I CAN be frustrating at times! :confused:

Don't worry about other people doing so or carrying on about things. Lotsa folks - lotsa opinions in here. :D

Hmm ... there was one writer who said that before we write should dip the pen in the ink 12 times, meaning we should consider what we say carefully before committing it to paper. It's easy to blurt out things in a forum setting, I have found.... :\
 

moritheil said:
What is it about powergaming that puts people on the defensive and makes them feel illegitimate? What is it that causes the fiery speeches about how "If we're having fun, then darn it, that's good enough for us!" Why are people threatened by other peoples' competence?

Because you are ruining their game. It might sound silly but if optimizing becomes a core part of the game and the people at Wizards really start to concentrate on that aspect it will alter the way the game is. And not everyone wants the game to go in that direction. Wizards does listen and alter things depending on what their fans want. I'm not saying it will happen but I can see that side of things. :cool:
 

You'd probably be better off going back to the original thread and replying there, or clicking on the little exclamation point button to call in a moderator.
 

moritheil said:
So, I got quoted out of context and a bunch of old-guard gamers are all fired up to defend their sacred way of life.

What is it about powergaming that puts people on the defensive and makes them feel illegitimate?


I think it's because a lot of folks as DMs like to say "The players overcame this situation because they played the cards they were dealt and out-thought me." not "The players overcame the situation because they had higher numbers."

Maybe. Could be? Dunno.

 

thedungeondelver said:

I think it's because a lot of folks as DMs like to say "The players overcame this situation because they played the cards they were dealt and out-thought me." not "The players overcame the situation because they had higher numbers."

Maybe. Could be? Dunno.


There's that false dichotomy again. Dang, that's a persistent little sucker!
 

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