OA's and Reach ?
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jbear
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Monsters with Reach attacks don't have Threatening reach... but that is easily solved.
I just give my reach monsters (Ogres, Trolls etc...) Threatening Reach ability. Drag and drop on the Adventure Tools. Am I right...? well I kind of get to decide that, don't I?
My players need the extra challenge. And they prefer to be challenged rather than not.
I just give my reach monsters (Ogres, Trolls etc...) Threatening Reach ability. Drag and drop on the Adventure Tools. Am I right...? well I kind of get to decide that, don't I?
My players need the extra challenge. And they prefer to be challenged rather than not.
DarkLord Of DForce
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Reach just leaves a bad taste in my mouth in our campaign. 
We're lev14 now, and I picked up (encounter reward, I didn't buy it because we're restricted) a +2 Repulsive armor at around lev5 or so.
Guess what? All the creatures we've fought have had a Reach2 ever since. So the armor is useless. I broached the subject with the DM and he says its just coincidence. Right. Just like my Avenger does Radiant Damage but the undead we face have started having no vulnerabilities to Radiant Damage. I asked about that and I got the answer that they were undead but not that undead. Heh.
Sorry for going offtopic, just wanted to vent.
We're lev14 now, and I picked up (encounter reward, I didn't buy it because we're restricted) a +2 Repulsive armor at around lev5 or so.
Guess what? All the creatures we've fought have had a Reach2 ever since. So the armor is useless. I broached the subject with the DM and he says its just coincidence. Right. Just like my Avenger does Radiant Damage but the undead we face have started having no vulnerabilities to Radiant Damage. I asked about that and I got the answer that they were undead but not that undead. Heh.
Sorry for going offtopic, just wanted to vent.
Black Knight Irios
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There is a daily feat power for spiked chain MC, that gives TR for 1 encounter.
Go Morninglord apply your own radiant vulnerability.
MC Paladin and pick up Paladin's Truth - never be bothered w/ resi/immunmity.
Reach just leaves a bad taste in my mouth in our campaign.
We're lev14 now, and I picked up (encounter reward, I didn't buy it because we're restricted) a +2 Repulsive armor at around lev5 or so.
Guess what? All the creatures we've fought have had a Reach2 ever since. So the armor is useless. I broached the subject with the DM and he says its just coincidence. Right. Just like my Avenger does Radiant Damage but the undead we face have started having no vulnerabilities to Radiant Damage. I asked about that and I got the answer that they were undead but not that undead. Heh.
Sorry for going offtopic, just wanted to vent.
Go Morninglord apply your own radiant vulnerability.
MC Paladin and pick up Paladin's Truth - never be bothered w/ resi/immunmity.
Reach just leaves a bad taste in my mouth in our campaign.
We're lev14 now, and I picked up (encounter reward, I didn't buy it because we're restricted) a +2 Repulsive armor at around lev5 or so.
Guess what? All the creatures we've fought have had a Reach2 ever since. So the armor is useless. I broached the subject with the DM and he says its just coincidence. Right. Just like my Avenger does Radiant Damage but the undead we face have started having no vulnerabilities to Radiant Damage. I asked about that and I got the answer that they were undead but not that undead. Heh.
Sorry for going offtopic, just wanted to vent.
I have/had a player with this armor in my game and I found it to be less than useless. The armor's power is Immediate (reaction/interrupt?) so is limited to once per round. The creature need only expend one extra square of movement to get adjacent to you. Unless you're using it on a charge from a creature with no reach there is no point.
Darklord: is there anyone on this site who doesn't know your DM is a powergaming grognard? It pretty much breathes through every post you make. I've never really undestood why you stick with that game--you make so many complaints about it, yet when pressed you claim the game is still fun despite a DM who's a control freak and who you're convinced cheats to stop your party from ever being effective. (That said, you're playing an avenger! So if the DM is relying on reach 2 to hit you after you Repulse, the armor's still doing its job!)
CO: Use it with other movement restrictions and it becomes fantastic -- the fact that it's not "for a daily item power, become immune to melee damage" makes it balanced, not underpowered. But wear Antipathy Gloves, make difficult terrain around you; stand near party members so an opponent pushed by the armor has to stay put or draw an OA -- there are many, many ways to use Repulsion armor effecitvely--particularly if you're an Avenger and the point is to stop you from getting surrounded, not prevent attacks entirely.
CO: Use it with other movement restrictions and it becomes fantastic -- the fact that it's not "for a daily item power, become immune to melee damage" makes it balanced, not underpowered. But wear Antipathy Gloves, make difficult terrain around you; stand near party members so an opponent pushed by the armor has to stay put or draw an OA -- there are many, many ways to use Repulsion armor effecitvely--particularly if you're an Avenger and the point is to stop you from getting surrounded, not prevent attacks entirely.
mneme: The item's power is at-will (immediate ?) for clarification so it can be used every round for the cost of your immediate action. Some people have other uses for their per round immediate action. My player in question didn't have any of that other stuff so the item itself was as I said...less than useless because he could have had an item that would have done him some good.
I would still argue that it doesn't stop you from getting surrounded as it only stops one creature that you use it on per round, and even then it only costs the creature 1 (or 2) more movement to move right back into that square again (possibly provoking an OA if you have a nearby ally to push the creature near).
I would still argue that it doesn't stop you from getting surrounded as it only stops one creature that you use it on per round, and even then it only costs the creature 1 (or 2) more movement to move right back into that square again (possibly provoking an OA if you have a nearby ally to push the creature near).
After coming from a ten-page flame-war about people who use the word grognard in a pejorative fashion, this makes me a very sad panda.mneme said:
After coming from a ten-page flame-war about people who use the word grognard in a pejorative fashion, this makes me a very sad panda.
B&D: It's the combination of things here. It's been fairly clear almost from the first post I remember seeing that Darklord's DM:
1. Goes for an old-school top-down control over what items his players get.
2. Godgames (much more than powergaming, though powergaming from the GM side more or less -is- godgaming), DMing abusively and in ways that arbitrarily hose his players.
3. Tends to get rules wrong, particularly in ways that hose his players.
4. That DLDF is, generally, fairly unhappy about this state of affairs, and in a constant low-level state of adversity with his DM. But still complacent enough to keep taking it.
There's nothing wrong with being a grodnard, per se, though it's not usually a style I prefer and it's not generally what people are looking for in 4e D&D. But combine these observations and what I'm seeing from my armchair viewpoint is an abusive game--not a functional one.
DarkLord Of DForce
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Already picked Radiant Servant and we're not allowed to change Paragon Paths (short of some super nerf - like when SOC got canned for anyone besides Warlocks). I actually can understand that.
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