D&D 5E OK WotC, I've had just about enough of this...

[Mercurius]

Just to be clear I don't want 2E-to-4E style bloat. That was out of control. But I wouldn't mind seeing a healthy Pathfinder-esque release schedule, or at least something close to it.

But this inquiry wasn't really meant to be a comment on quantity of product, more about the absolute lack of anything resembling even a hint beyond the Alice in Wonderland thing, and the planned out to seven story arcs.

I also agree with [MENTION=31465]Nebulous[/MENTION] that I'm looking forward/hoping for 3PP products to fill the gap, so at least there's something to choose from. I'm really hoping that someone does something similar to Dungeon Crawl Classics for 5E. For whatever reason WotC seems like they don't see the value in doing one-shot adventure modules any more, which is really a shame.

 

[Nebulous]

I'm really hoping that someone does something similar to Dungeon Crawl Classics for 5E. For whatever reason WotC seems like they don't see the value in doing one-shot adventure modules any more, which is really a shame.

Enworld itself might be doing that very thing with its new zine.

 

[delericho]

I also agree with [MENTION=31465]Nebulous[/MENTION] that I'm looking forward/hoping for 3PP products to fill the gap, so at least there's something to choose from. I'm really hoping that someone does something similar to Dungeon Crawl Classics for 5E. For whatever reason WotC seems like they don't see the value in doing one-shot adventure modules any more, which is really a shame.

I'm still hoping (though it's a fading hope) that Dungeon will yet return in some form.

 

[Parmandur]

Well, Perkins also let slip that the storyline after the "Alice in Wonderland" bit (Feywild, maybe?) will be Giant focused, and have a plot derived from Shakespeare.

Other than that, maybe they have let everything six months out be known. They mean business about this slow schedule.

 

[weldon]

Just to be clear I don't want 2E-to-4E style bloat. That was out of control. But I wouldn't mind seeing a healthy Pathfinder-esque release schedule, or at least something close to it.

As an aside, I was in my FLGS and in the relatively small RPG section, I was surprised at the number of different Pathfinder titles on display. I don't know PF at all (except by reputation) and I was pretty intimidated by the selection of titles. I would have no idea where to start without coming to a forum like this first.

I'm satisfied with the approach that WoTC is taking with D&D where it looks like there will be the 3 core rulebooks, and then a big adventure path and a companion player's option book every 6 months or so. In 3 years, there might be 4 or 5 adventurer's books. In 10 years, well in 10 years there will be a whole new edition, right?

I don't know if it will meet their business goals, but it seems like the game will hold together with that kind of schedule.

 

[gweinel]

Actually I would love a like 2nd edition Campaign bloat!

I know they will never do it. But if there wasn't the 90s era campaign creativity (and maybe overdose) the rpg world would be much poorer.
That bloat worked for many of us like an extra rpg fuel for all these years.

 

[TerraDave]

Nothing has changed since the last of these threads!

They will--hopefully--start doing their few online columns. We will see kender, mass battle rules, sage advice, and then other stuff. A little.
They will announce another big story after the elemental one.
Maybe, maybe we will get another monster book or a setting book. Maybe.
Crazy speculation: some source of additional adventures not in a big path...
Which could be through a more open license, which may be coming, and may actually be the main source of delay.

Thats it. Now get back to using the three core books, thats all you get.

 

[pukunui]

I take it that everyone reading this knows little to nothing more than I do, and if you do you won't share.

In some cases, it's more a matter of being unable to share due to a little thing called an NDA. Some of us have been alpha playtesting upcoming supplemental material for a few months now, but we can't say anything about it.

Actually I would love a like 2nd edition Campaign bloat!

I know they will never do it.

And the reason they will never do it is because it's not good business. If it was, TSR might not have gone under.

Besides, 5e is very much the "DIY Edition" of D&D. It's the most previous edition conversion-friendly version that WotC has put out, and they've made older content readily available via dndclassics. It's never been easier to drag your old 1e, 2e or Mentzer basic material kicking and screaming into the 21st century!

 

[gweinel]

And the reason they will never do it is because it's not good business. If it was, TSR might not have gone under.

Besides, 5e is very much the "DIY Edition" of D&D. It's the most previous edition conversion-friendly version that WotC has put out, and they've made older content readily available via dndclassics. It's never been easier to drag your old 1e, 2e or Mentzer basic material kicking and screaming into the 21st century!

It was bad bussiness in short term, but kept us occupied for many years after. We supported their rpg products for many years after because of the quality and the quantity of the books. I don't know if it would a diasaster to repeat the same. Probably it will. What i am trying to say is that bloat had not only bad consequences for the game.

In any way the market has changed since 90's. Now they outsource their products. Why not go a step further.A Kickstarter like policy would bring pretty good money to their coffers and keep the gamers happy. How many hundrend thousand dollars a kickstarter Dragonlance or Planescape would bring. I bet many.

 

[DEFCON 1]

One advantage of not releasing any info is that they are retraining everyone to focus in on what we're currently playing, rather than worrying about what's ahead in three, six, twelve months time. The books have been out less than six months... so no one's been able to play everything in them in every combination yet. So by not announcing stuff for the future and making us so focused on all that upcoming stuff... we have no choice but to just delve even deeper in what we already have. *That's* how they teach us to get off the splat train... to make us continually just think about and re-use all the stuff in the books we already have.

Do we need another Rogue sub-class yet? Nope. Not unless we've already played campaigns with several Thieves, Assassins, and Arcane Tricksters in them already. So why announce a new Rogue sub-class in a book nine months from now that'll just draw our attention away from the three we already have?

"All his life has he looked away... to the future-- to the horizon. Never his mind on WHERE - HE- WAS! Hmm? What he was doing! Hmph!"

-Yoda