On shfting and jumping

[UngeheuerLich]

I guess a look into monster vault glossary might help. Burrow explicitely excludes shifting.

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

What if you have a Climb or Swim speed? (The standard Scout paragon path gives both at level 16, so it may come up more often now.)

"you can’t shift if you would need to make an Athletics check to use that kind of movement"

That pretty much answers it. Jumping requires an Athletics check, so it is out. Nor is there such a thing as 'jumping speed'.

 

[LegacyGame]

What situation brought this up? It seems like the dungeon master would/could have made the ruling without having to dig deep. Right? If the rules were more ambiguous, would you really allow a pc to shift and jump in the same movement? Seems like system abuse to some extent.

 

[Prestidigitalis]

"you can’t shift if you would need to make an Athletics check to use that kind of movement"

That pretty much answers it. Jumping requires an Athletics check, so it is out. Nor is there such a thing as 'jumping speed'.

Actually, I was asking about whether you could shift while Climbing or Swimming with a Climb speed or Swim speed.

 

[mneme]

Actually, I was asking about whether you could shift while Climbing or Swimming with a Climb speed or Swim speed.

Clearly (or flying with a fly speed). If you don't need to make a skill check with a form of movement, you can shift using that form of movement.

Spiders can shift while climbing. Most humans cannot. Sharks (just work with me here) can shift while swimming; most humans cannot.

 

[Kalleria]

What situation brought this up? It seems like the dungeon master would/could have made the ruling without having to dig deep. Right? If the rules were more ambiguous, would you really allow a pc to shift and jump in the same movement? Seems like system abuse to some extent.

No situation in particular, just curiosity.

 

[Aulirophile]

What if you have a Climb or Swim speed? (The standard Scout paragon path gives both at level 16, so it may come up more often now.)

Then it doesn't require a check and you can shift. Spiders on walls can Shift. Makes sense to me.

It does come up every so often, there is an item that grants a Climb Speed one round/encounter that is relatively popular in LFR on low-athletics check characters. I see this question a fair amount judging tables for that reason, so.