Once you go C&C, you never go back

[Ralif Redhammer]

Completely smitten with C&C. There's been a 3e campaign that I've been wanting to close out properly, but I just can't bring myself to play 3e rules long enough to do so.

 

[gideon_thorne]

It has become a baseline for me, but I'm using things beyond as well.

Well good then. One of the design parameter's worked out at least.

 

[slimykuotoan]

I have been guilty of bashing 3E, while at the same time exholting the values of C&C after I found it.

I guess I had a lot of frustration built up because of the sheer complexity that was d20 at the time; it seemed to become less the fantasy game, and more the marvel super heroes game.

It's perhaps hard to critique anything without annoying others who are into a system.

On a side note, I'm sure I'll play 4th ed. when it comes out for a try, but for now -especially for online gaming- C&C fits the bill.

P.S. AD&D rocks as well!

 

[slimykuotoan]

I think that part of the reason fans boast about C&C as a catch all system, is because of its ability to incorporate additional rules without much modification.

So for me, I use the C&C PHB with the AD&D MM books (just changing AC) and the survival guides without alteration.

Perhaps it would be better to say that C&C just plain fits well with many varied resourses.

 

[Scurvy_Platypus]

I'd like to second that sentiment. There are some 'fans' of C&C who probably do more to ensure that potential interested parties never play it (in fact, I know that there are). Treebore is the best thing that C&C has going for it at many online communities.

That first part is true. Just look at this recent OP over on rpg.net. Now this is a way to start a thread.

"
(4E) Simpler, faster to play, easier to DM,

Nope.

More complex than ever before."


Posted by someone called....Treebore.


BTW, that's not taken out of context. That's the entirety of the OP.

Ok, ordinarily I tend to not pay too much attention to this sort of thing. But I frequent rpgnet, and did notice the thread in question. It's here:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=366800

Somebody posted a quote from Treebore on the Troll Lord forums about trolling on rpgnet.
http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3664&mforum=trolllordgames

Such easy Troll hunting can be fun! For a little while anyways.

Yes, I can be "evil" at times. I am a CK/DM/GM after all!

OK, it was a moment of weakness, but its already turning into a good laugh. One or two more stirs and it should be boiling nicely!

[evil smiley]

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=366800

BTW, my opening post is my honest opinion, but with it being RPGnet I knew what kind of responses I would surely get. Mixed with some rationality, but not much.

But they call me a "rabid C&C fan"! Hah! Obviously they don't see what shoes they are wearing.

The thread was locked after this particular post by Treebore:
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=8139282&postcount=72

I just appreciate having such a wonderful thread show casing the rabidity of so many teeth nashers.

Now I have for all posterity all the proof I need when I see so many of these people, in the future, claim they are the pictures of rational posting.

Thanks for all the contributions!

I'm really disappointed by this, and it just winds up being further fodder to support people's dislike based on the behavior of fans.

I realize you don't see a problem Treebore, and that it doesn't bother you. I don't expect you to suddenly be repentant or anything like that either. I'd say that I lost the respect I had for you as being one of the few level headed C&C proponents that I've come across, but I'm sure that doesn't mean anything either.

I'm also kinda disappointed by Steve's response in that thread.

 

[Clavis]

I think it's also because C&C has assumed a via media, middle-way position between different philosophies of gaming, so it attracts fire from enthusiasts and purists on both ends. The hard-core old-schoolers think it's too much like modern editions, and the fans of modern editions think it's too archaic and old school. Et cetera.

What I love about C&C is that is essentially D&D with cleaned up mechanics. It's exactly what I was hoping 3rd edition was going to be. I actually stopped playing 1st ed AD&D because I felt like AD&D was too rules heavy. I skipped over 2nd edition altogether, and was mostly playing Vampire in the 90s. I also tried Rules Cyclopedia D&D, and loved it. I was one of the people who really wanted a streamlined, new edition of D&D. Since 3.x has turned out to be much more rules-heavy than AD&D ever was, I quickly found myself unable to have fun DMing it. So when I found out about C&C, it sounded like it perfect for me. I'm now DMing a group of 7 players, most of whom where also looking for a lighter, faster system that would let them focus on fun roleplaying.

For all those who think that people who support C&C always do it by bashing 3.x edition, it's because it seems that almost everybody who moves on to C&C has already tried 3.x edition, wanted to like it, and been frustrated by it. That's certainly true for my gaming group. C&C players are by-in-large actually lovers of D&D who are honest about the previous edition's faults, but also conscious of the current edition's failures. My group actually calls what we do "playing D&D", and I still consider myself a DM. We use the C&C rules, with some things from Rules Cyclopedia D&D (especially monsters). If 4th edition was going to be like C&C, or even RC D&D, we probably convert over to it. Since its going in the opposite direction, we'll be content with C&C and our back catalog of D&D books.

 

[Numion]

I realize you don't see a problem Treebore, and that it doesn't bother you. I don't expect you to suddenly be repentant or anything like that either. I'd say that I lost the respect I had for you as being one of the few level headed C&C proponents that I've come across, but I'm sure that doesn't mean anything either.

Maybe they just can't help themselves. Treebore is polite and coherent most of the time, but I guess he also succumbs to an attack of the C&Cs every once in a while :\

 

[gideon_thorne]

I'm also kinda disappointed by Steve's response in that thread.

Err...why? Because Steve thought the comment, that was made on our boards mind, was funny? Sure, its the same kind of humor one finds in pie in the face jokes. Not so funny for the recipient, but funny for everyone else.

I find the constant back and forth amusing (if ofttimes pointless) as all get out myself, it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it.

 

[Treebore]

Ok, ordinarily I tend to not pay too much attention to this sort of thing. But I frequent rpgnet, and did notice the thread in question. It's here:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=366800

Somebody posted a quote from Treebore on the Troll Lord forums about trolling on rpgnet.
http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3664&mforum=trolllordgames



The thread was locked after this particular post by Treebore:
http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=8139282&postcount=72


I'm really disappointed by this, and it just winds up being further fodder to support people's dislike based on the behavior of fans.

I realize you don't see a problem Treebore, and that it doesn't bother you. I don't expect you to suddenly be repentant or anything like that either. I'd say that I lost the respect I had for you as being one of the few level headed C&C proponents that I've come across, but I'm sure that doesn't mean anything either.

I'm also kinda disappointed by Steve's response in that thread.

I have no reason to be repentant. The predicatbility of so many posters on RPGnet is the problem not me. As is illustrated by the Openrpg thread you quoted. I was never "trolling". I posted my opinion, knowing how predictable the people are over there. Their predictability is not in any way my problem. Now I have a thread that proves their short comings. A thread in which I was never insulting, other than pointing out the childish response of others.


So no, I am not repentant for so predictably illustrating the members resposnes.

Plus this thread over there had nothing to do with C&C, except when brought up by the problem posters over on RPGnet.

Nor am I in any way sorry that I have been permanently banned. That thread perfectly and predicatbly illustrates why.

 

[danzig138]

The predicatbility of so many posters on RPGnet is the problem not me.

You keep on thinking that. Plenty of people get throught life just fine even while always being wrong.