Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[Fenris-77]

Yeah the original statement just annoyed me, that "1E and 3E's FR is more popular than 4E and 5E's FR, therefore adding Dragonborn is bad."

Because one, you can't really prove they are more popular unless you actually commissioned a means-tested poll of D&D players. And two, even if you did, it would be heavily slanted in favor of 5E because it's just way more played than anything else. And if you did somehow find the more popular one, it still may be unrelated to Dragonborn.

I did try playing devil's advocate on my replies, but it's definitely frustrating when people try "proving" the un-provable

Well, it should annoy you, it's a ridiculous statement. As a syllogism it doesn't even pass the laugh test. Paired with the unsupported data set it's not even worth considering. The dragonborn thing isn't something anyone can decide with any authority for anything other than their own table. It's a like/dislike thing, there are no facts involved and no one is being forced to do anything.

 

[Azzy]

Main point was adding more races to a setting can indeed make it worse.

But that's the thing—that's your opinion, not a fact.

 

[Acolyte of Zothique]

Main point was adding more races to a setting can indeed make it worse.

Please provide at least three concrete examples of how adding more races to a setting makes it worse. Also, justify these examples with discussion as to why you think a D&D fantasy setting where anything can be added and includes magic that can conjure things; provide planar travel or allows gods to interfere in the world can not accommodate more races.

Also, in settings such as Greyhawk which accommodates both a crashed spacecraft AND a spelljammer port in the city of Greyhawk; or Forgotten Realms which has planetary portals, multiple Spelljammer ports and an asteroid Spelljammer base, why do more races hurt the setting? Hmm?

 

[Zardnaar]

Please provide at least three concrete examples of how adding more races to a setting makes it worse. Also, justify these examples with discussion as to why you think a D&D fantasy setting where anything can be added and includes magic that can conjure things; provide planar travel or allows gods to interfere in the world can not accommodate more races.

Also, in settings such as Greyhawk which accommodates both a crashed spacecraft AND a spelljammer port in the city of Greyhawk; or Forgotten Realms which has planetary portals, multiple Spelljammer ports and an asteroid Spelljammer base, why do more races hurt the setting? Hmm?

4E Darksun (Dragonborn shoe horned in, defeats hidden menace if Dray, retcons Dray out, Dray were bad idea in 1st place).

4E FR (Dragonborn shoehorned in)

Adding Spelljammer elements to Greyhawk) Krynn

Note adding GH elements to Spelljammer/Planescape is fine. By that I mean if you want to hang out in Sigil or the Rock of Bral.

I like Spelljammer but it's kind of goofy. Adding goofy to FR or GH changes the tone of the setting.

Also no Orcs in Krynn but then players can say "I'm from FR and are visiting" which is kinda silly.

 

[Acolyte of Zothique]

4E Darksun (Dragonborn shoe horned in, defeats hidden menace if Dray, retcons Dray out, Dray were bad idea in 1st place).

4E FR (Dragonborn shoehorned in)

Adding Spelljammer elements to Greyhawk) Krynn

Note adding GH elements to Spelljammer/Planescape is fine. By that I mean if you want to hang out in Sigil or the Rock of Bral.

I like Spelljammer but it's kind of goofy. Adding goofy to FR or GH changes the tone of the setting.

Also no Orcs in Krynn but then players can say "I'm from FR and are visiting" which is kinda silly.

This reply doesn't even come close to answering my post - this does not explain how adding races makes settings worse. How does adding Dragonborn to Forgotten Realms make the setting worse? Why does adding Tabaxi or Goliaths to Forgotten Realms not make the setting worse? Why does adding Dragonborn to Dark Sun make the setting 'worse'. Define 'worse' in this context? Worse than what? Why is the original 2e edition version of Dark Sun better without Dragonborn in your 'opinion'?

I get the impression you just don't like Dragonborn which means you are biased. Your biased opinions are not facts and are not supported by any apparent actual evidence (from, say, official WotC polls) whatsoever.

I give this reply a D- for failing to answer the question set and for providing little to no evidence as to why this opinion should be considered as factual.

 

[Zardnaar]

This reply doesn't even come close to answering my post - this does not explain how adding races makes settings worse. How does adding Dragonborn to Forgotten Realms make the setting worse? Why does adding Tabaxi or Goliaths to Forgotten Realms not make the setting worse? Why does adding Dragonborn to Dark Sun make the setting 'worse'. Define 'worse' in this context? Worse than what? Why is the original 2e edition version of Dark Sun better without Dragonborn in your 'opinion'?

I get the impression you just don't like Dragonborn which means you are biased. Your biased opinions are not facts and are not supported by any apparent actual evidence (from, say, official WotC polls) whatsoever.

I give this reply a D- for failing to answer the question set and for providing little to no evidence as to why this opinion should be considered as factual.

You didn't ask for evidence you just asked for examples.

FR blew up the world to shoehorn them in.

Darksun. The Dragon singular. Doesn't have the usual D&D dragons, the Dray were a hidden menace not a normal race.

Spelljammer added to other settings. Changes the tone of the setting.

I allow Dragonborn in my current game. There's actually an empire of the with 5 subraces of Dragonkin to pick from as well.

Dragonborn are a bit underpowered in 5E as well.

I stopped banning them when no one picks them anyway. 5 years in next DB chosen will be a first.

 

[Don Durito]

Yes whether something is "worse" is an opinion.

Water is also wet.

 

[Fenris-77]

Yes whether something is "worse" is an opinion.

Water is also wet.

I heard a disturbing rumor that the sky might be blue...

 

[billd91]

I get the impression you just don't like Dragonborn which means you are biased. Your biased opinions are not facts and are not supported by any apparent actual evidence (from, say, official WotC polls) whatsoever.

Doesn't matter if he's biased. If he doesn't like dragonborn and dragonborn are around in the game, the setting is worse for him. Might not be for you, but you don't get to judge what he considers better or worse on some objective scale.

 

[Zardnaar]

Doesn't matter if he's biased. If he doesn't like dragonborn and dragonborn are around in the game, the setting is worse for him. Might not be for you, but you don't get to judge what he considers better or worse on some objective scale.

I'm not a fan of them mechanically as they're weak.

I'm playing Midgard, they exist as a PC option in Midgard ergo you can play them.

They're not very good, you're better off playing Dragonkin but they're there. They even have their own Empire.