Sure... that would work I believe. 
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Kelleris
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Yes and no. I was expecting the reaction I got (although I did my best to explain myself), and I would have been shocked if anyone took it seriously given the way I put it. However, I felt compelled to do so, for pretty much the reasons I gave. Mostly I feel that the glowing PC sign shouldn't mean that my case isn't weighted more heavily when my character is in fact more persuasive than I. It's a delicate balance to strike, so I thought I'd try this and see how everyone would react. And now I know.
Nobody seemed to notice, but my speech was hardly just a blob of sophistry. I set forth a pretty clear result of my theory (that the gods are susceptible to prediction and control given sufficient knowledge), and put forth a way to gain that knowledge (a temporary alliance with an evil and minor godlet originally part of the alliance, wheedling info out of him at the same time). The latter is something that applies as a proposal regardless of whether you agree with my metaphysics or not. If nobody pays any attention to said proposal, Arion's going to assume that you're just dismissing him out of hand entirely, just as you did his thoughts on the divine nature. The latter won't bother him much (especially given the exingencies of OOC knowledge), but ignoring the former certainly will.
EDIT: Wrahn covered my thing. Thanks. And I find it amusing that Pilmer and I have substantially the same attitude toward the proceedings.
Yes and no. I was expecting the reaction I got (although I did my best to explain myself), and I would have been shocked if anyone took it seriously given the way I put it. However, I felt compelled to do so, for pretty much the reasons I gave. Mostly I feel that the glowing PC sign shouldn't mean that my case isn't weighted more heavily when my character is in fact more persuasive than I. It's a delicate balance to strike, so I thought I'd try this and see how everyone would react. And now I know.
Nobody seemed to notice, but my speech was hardly just a blob of sophistry. I set forth a pretty clear result of my theory (that the gods are susceptible to prediction and control given sufficient knowledge), and put forth a way to gain that knowledge (a temporary alliance with an evil and minor godlet originally part of the alliance, wheedling info out of him at the same time). The latter is something that applies as a proposal regardless of whether you agree with my metaphysics or not. If nobody pays any attention to said proposal, Arion's going to assume that you're just dismissing him out of hand entirely, just as you did his thoughts on the divine nature. The latter won't bother him much (especially given the exingencies of OOC knowledge), but ignoring the former certainly will.
EDIT: Wrahn covered my thing. Thanks. And I find it amusing that Pilmer and I have substantially the same attitude toward the proceedings.
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He's not dismissing it, he just finds it currently irrelevant to current actions. Theoretical discussion might get a theoretical answer within the limits of what is considered within the discussion, but it doesn't usually translate all that well to an imminent functional reality of action.
You'll also note that he's "dismissing" everyones point of view on the matters of metaphysics regarding gods and truth. I imagine Arion would notice that, if he doesn't maybe that's the 7 wisdom showing through
And by blob of sophistry, how it looks in the IC thread with point by point, leading more in a propositional "if-then" structure even though not explicitly using "if-then", has it come off as a sophist's argument where you could excise the content and so long as the logical syntax remains, it'd still be valid, but soundness is another thing all together.
Also he wasn't disregarding your suggestion about contacting an "evil" minor deific power involved in the destruction, and even Rahveon echoed a similar point regarding contacting fiends.
Maybe this is too much clap-trap.
You'll also note that he's "dismissing" everyones point of view on the matters of metaphysics regarding gods and truth. I imagine Arion would notice that, if he doesn't maybe that's the 7 wisdom showing through
And by blob of sophistry, how it looks in the IC thread with point by point, leading more in a propositional "if-then" structure even though not explicitly using "if-then", has it come off as a sophist's argument where you could excise the content and so long as the logical syntax remains, it'd still be valid, but soundness is another thing all together.
Also he wasn't disregarding your suggestion about contacting an "evil" minor deific power involved in the destruction, and even Rahveon echoed a similar point regarding contacting fiends.
Maybe this is too much clap-trap.
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I vaguely remember the Court of Stars from the BoED, but I don't have easy access to that book. So could someone give me a summary of what it is?
Isida, are we using the canon great wheel cosmology? I don't remember it being discussed, but that seems to be what people are using in the IC thread.
Kelleris, I was also amused by Pilmer and Arion's similar conclusions.
Isida, are we using the canon great wheel cosmology? I don't remember it being discussed, but that seems to be what people are using in the IC thread.
Kelleris, I was also amused by Pilmer and Arion's similar conclusions.
Yes, we're using the great wheel, with a few dozen more extra demi-planes thrown in where needed.
Yes pondering. These epic games require epic-level responses... 
Rikandur-
"Loyalty" Ring of Greater Elemental Resistance, Ironskin and Rapid Healing (1,174,000 gp)
Okay, three effects on this, all relatively expensive moving stuff around
216,000 for Greater Elemental Resisance
400,000 For Ironskin Which I am going to suggest your replace with continuous stoneskin (109,000, 10/adamantine) since the DR 10/+5 is meaningless in 3.5
Loyalty 30 Energy resistance versus all energy types and 10/adamantine for (379,500)
"Protectors" Braces of Defense +8 (64,000 gp)
This provides an armor bonus which does not stack with your armor, Soooo, changing things a little…
Protector +5 Luck, +5 Sacred Bonus to AC (156,250)
"Devotion" Mithral Shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection +2 (1,001,000 gp)
You would be better off with this little piece of cheese
Mithral Shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection +1 (811,100)
And
25,920 24th level Magic Vestments 1/day item
Which will make Devotion a Mithral Shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection +5. The enchantment will last 24 hours, but can be dispelled so there is that risk, but it is cheaper and a lot more effective. (837,020)
"Golden General" Glamered Warlord's Breastplate (418,900 gp)
I would make this a +5 Glamered Mithral Breastplate with the same properties as the Warlord’s Breastplate (83,900gp)
"Indepedence" Ring of Freedom of Movement, Feather Fall and Protection +5 (113,300 gp)
300,000 for Rapid Healing
75,000 +5 Deflection Bonus to AC
60,000 Freedom of Movement
3,300 Feather Fall
Ring of Rapid Healing, Freedom of Movement, +5 Protection, and Feather Fall (438,300)
"Earth's Child Mark" Torc of Jumping, +30 Insight bonus to Jump checks (180,000 gp)
Continuous Jump (9th level +30 Enhancement to Jump) (36,000)
Equipment: (1,020,625 gp left)
Legendary Leaper grants no benefit in 3.5, (your jump distance is no longer limited by your height)
I would seriously consider changing all your leaping feats in for
Flight, Continuous, only to imitate jumping -30% (Straight Line, must land at the end of movement) (42,000)
I would VERY Seriously consider +3 HP per Hit Dice for 36,000
You also get 3 additional hit dice for your (only HP, not BAB, Saves or Skills) for your ECL (d8s )
"Loyalty" Ring of Greater Elemental Resistance, Ironskin and Rapid Healing (1,174,000 gp)
Okay, three effects on this, all relatively expensive moving stuff around
216,000 for Greater Elemental Resisance
400,000 For Ironskin Which I am going to suggest your replace with continuous stoneskin (109,000, 10/adamantine) since the DR 10/+5 is meaningless in 3.5
Loyalty 30 Energy resistance versus all energy types and 10/adamantine for (379,500)
"Protectors" Braces of Defense +8 (64,000 gp)
This provides an armor bonus which does not stack with your armor, Soooo, changing things a little…
Protector +5 Luck, +5 Sacred Bonus to AC (156,250)
"Devotion" Mithral Shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection +2 (1,001,000 gp)
You would be better off with this little piece of cheese
Mithral Shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection +1 (811,100)
And
25,920 24th level Magic Vestments 1/day item
Which will make Devotion a Mithral Shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection +5. The enchantment will last 24 hours, but can be dispelled so there is that risk, but it is cheaper and a lot more effective. (837,020)
"Golden General" Glamered Warlord's Breastplate (418,900 gp)
I would make this a +5 Glamered Mithral Breastplate with the same properties as the Warlord’s Breastplate (83,900gp)
"Indepedence" Ring of Freedom of Movement, Feather Fall and Protection +5 (113,300 gp)
300,000 for Rapid Healing
75,000 +5 Deflection Bonus to AC
60,000 Freedom of Movement
3,300 Feather Fall
Ring of Rapid Healing, Freedom of Movement, +5 Protection, and Feather Fall (438,300)
"Earth's Child Mark" Torc of Jumping, +30 Insight bonus to Jump checks (180,000 gp)
Continuous Jump (9th level +30 Enhancement to Jump) (36,000)
Equipment: (1,020,625 gp left)
Legendary Leaper grants no benefit in 3.5, (your jump distance is no longer limited by your height)
I would seriously consider changing all your leaping feats in for
Flight, Continuous, only to imitate jumping -30% (Straight Line, must land at the end of movement) (42,000)
I would VERY Seriously consider +3 HP per Hit Dice for 36,000
You also get 3 additional hit dice for your (only HP, not BAB, Saves or Skills) for your ECL (d8s )
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