Brother Shatterstone
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Uriel said:
*LMAO* That was rather funny...
OOC: House Millithor in COSQ part 4
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*LMAO* That was rather funny...
Seonaid
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For reasons already stated, I would prefer not option 3. 
I really kind of like Narcelia, and it would be fun and interesting to continue with the still-alive characters. I don't care who DM's. Endur did an excellent job. I'm starting to become incoherent, so I'll stop now and resume this some time when I'm awake.
I really kind of like Narcelia, and it would be fun and interesting to continue with the still-alive characters. I don't care who DM's. Endur did an excellent job. I'm starting to become incoherent, so I'll stop now and resume this some time when I'm awake.
Serpenteye
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Brother Shatterstone said:
Not at all, since that will give me a chance to play. Endur wrote something about the Matron being indestructable before her vengeance was achieved... Maybe she could remainfest herself, or something? What does it say about Revenants in the FRCS?
Brother Shatterstone
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I can see why Endur said that he was ending the game now... I don't see how those still alive can take out the remaining Balor... :\Pyrex said:
Anyhow, no new emails in my box this morning but I shall keep everyone informed.
Serpenteye, works for me.
Goddess FallenAngel
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Endur, Thanks for the great game and the original invite to join. Good luck on your 52-card pickup life and I hope to still see you around the boards. It has been a blast, and this is one of the best pbp games I have ever been in (even though it has been a long time since I have had a character killed)
As for continuing the game under a new DM - it will depend on the new DM's rules, etc. for me... and it will depend on if Zieggrek comes back or not. *LOL*
and I hope to still see you around the boards. It has been a blast, and this is one of the best pbp games I have ever been in (even though it has been a long time since I have had a character killed) As for continuing the game under a new DM - it will depend on the new DM's rules, etc. for me... and it will depend on if Zieggrek comes back or not. *LOL*
Endur
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A couple of quick comments regarding Quertus and bringing back the dead in the Forgotten Realms.
1) Quertus would not believe that he could raise the dead with limited wish. While living in Menzoberanzan, Quertus never heard of any drow spellcaster, divine or arcane, who brought back the dead. Quertus has only heard one rumor of one drow returning from the dead, Quenthel Baenre, and he heard that that was accomplished through an extremely deadly and costly quest (which costs the lives of several nobles from House Baenre) and the quest had the blessing of Lolth. There is also a rumor that Quenthel came back CHANGED (i.e. sort of like Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White, except that Lolth had modified Quenthel's personality not her powers) and that Lolth hard wired various quests into Quenthel's brain. Quertus has heard of surface divine casters who have brought the dead back to life, but he thinks those might be charlatans.
3) In the Forgotten Realms, Raising (or Resurrection or Reincarnation) of the Dead requres the permission of the target as well as the permission of the target's deity. Good Deities will usually grant permission if their petitioner was a hero and desires to return to life to commit more heroic deeds or for love or some other "good" reason. Evil deities rarely grant permission (see #1 above for the example of Lolth above) and only do so under stringent circumstances; Irae (an extrememly high ranking cleric of Kiaransalee) only has permission from her Goddess to restore her daughter Dorina to life (according to the module). Quertus and the surviving party members (Tierak, Carcelon, and Narcelia) could attempt to negotiate with minions of the appropriate divine beings for the restoration of the slain party members. Demogorgon is probably worse than Lolth with regards to getting souls of his worshippers back, since he is evil and likes to eat the souls of his minions. I have no idea regarding Hruggek (who is chaotic evil), but our resident expert on Bugbears (Brother Shatterstone) can give us insight on how likely it would be for Hruggek to let one of his souls go. With regards to Lolth, there is the additional problem that she is silent; unless you can re-establish communication to Lolth, there is little hope of recovering Zieggrek's soul. Finally for Matron Ki'Willis, there is also the issue of whether the wavering Ki'Willis had faith at the end; if she died faithless she could be in a particularly bad place in the Underworld.
3) Resurrection or Reincarnation would work to bring Matron Ki'Willis, Kilcif, Kripp, and Zieggrek back to life (assuming you get past points 1 and 2). Raise Dead would not work since none of the slain bodies are in appropriate states of condition for Raise Dead. For reasons of points 1 and 2, I'd recommend the scrolls of Create Undead the party is carrying around (or buying new scrolls).
1) Quertus would not believe that he could raise the dead with limited wish. While living in Menzoberanzan, Quertus never heard of any drow spellcaster, divine or arcane, who brought back the dead. Quertus has only heard one rumor of one drow returning from the dead, Quenthel Baenre, and he heard that that was accomplished through an extremely deadly and costly quest (which costs the lives of several nobles from House Baenre) and the quest had the blessing of Lolth. There is also a rumor that Quenthel came back CHANGED (i.e. sort of like Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White, except that Lolth had modified Quenthel's personality not her powers) and that Lolth hard wired various quests into Quenthel's brain. Quertus has heard of surface divine casters who have brought the dead back to life, but he thinks those might be charlatans.
3) In the Forgotten Realms, Raising (or Resurrection or Reincarnation) of the Dead requres the permission of the target as well as the permission of the target's deity. Good Deities will usually grant permission if their petitioner was a hero and desires to return to life to commit more heroic deeds or for love or some other "good" reason. Evil deities rarely grant permission (see #1 above for the example of Lolth above) and only do so under stringent circumstances; Irae (an extrememly high ranking cleric of Kiaransalee) only has permission from her Goddess to restore her daughter Dorina to life (according to the module). Quertus and the surviving party members (Tierak, Carcelon, and Narcelia) could attempt to negotiate with minions of the appropriate divine beings for the restoration of the slain party members. Demogorgon is probably worse than Lolth with regards to getting souls of his worshippers back, since he is evil and likes to eat the souls of his minions. I have no idea regarding Hruggek (who is chaotic evil), but our resident expert on Bugbears (Brother Shatterstone) can give us insight on how likely it would be for Hruggek to let one of his souls go. With regards to Lolth, there is the additional problem that she is silent; unless you can re-establish communication to Lolth, there is little hope of recovering Zieggrek's soul. Finally for Matron Ki'Willis, there is also the issue of whether the wavering Ki'Willis had faith at the end; if she died faithless she could be in a particularly bad place in the Underworld.
3) Resurrection or Reincarnation would work to bring Matron Ki'Willis, Kilcif, Kripp, and Zieggrek back to life (assuming you get past points 1 and 2). Raise Dead would not work since none of the slain bodies are in appropriate states of condition for Raise Dead. For reasons of points 1 and 2, I'd recommend the scrolls of Create Undead the party is carrying around (or buying new scrolls).
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Serpenteye
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Endur said:
Does it require the deity's active permission to raise the dead? Could it not be enough that the deity is not actively opposed to the spell? In the case of Zieggrek and (possibly) Ki'Willis there's no deity who's trying to keep their souls in the demonweb pits and there should be nothing preventing the spell from working as usually.
If Ki'Willis' soul has gone to Kelemvor (the lord of the faithless dead) will he permit her to return to the living or not?
Endur
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The fate of the souls entrusted to Lolth is currently unknown. Recent visitors to the Demonweb have been unable to find the souls of newly slain or age old drow. (In one of the War of the Spider Queen novels, the protagonists travel to the Demon Web and remark upon the absence of the souls).
With regards to Kelemvor, I have no idea what he is doing with faithless dead. Maybe someone else knows?
With regards to Kelemvor, I have no idea what he is doing with faithless dead. Maybe someone else knows?
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