[OOC] Metal Joe / Black Ops d20 Modern - FULL!

[perivas]

500 rounds of 50 Cal ammunition = 10lbs

That may be right by the rules, but it ain't even close in real life. Those rounds probably weigh 1/4 lb. each.

You're right! After doing some research on the Internet, I found that ammo weighs a ton! For instance, a single round of a Desert Eagle weighs 300 grams, implying that a box would weigh at least 2.7 kg (or 5.94 lbs)! Do we even want to go there?

 

[Krizzel]

You're right! After doing some research on the Internet, I found that ammo weighs a ton! For instance, a single round of a Desert Eagle weighs 300 grams, implying that a box would weigh at least 2.7 kg (or 5.94 lbs)! Do we even want to go there?

I can't see the magazine weighing six pounds...wouldn't that be almost as much as the gun?

Anyway, box magazines are going to half a pound each regardless of what ammo is loaded in them. If there are compelling reasons to change it later, I will, but I think the encumbrance rules are already tough enough.

As for the M2HB, it uses ammo belts, and I can't find anywhere in the book where weight is listed for those, either. A quarter pound for each round sounds about right to me, and that would make 100 rounds weight 25 pounds. Even that still seems a little severe, though.

Arrgh let me think about this some more.

Meanwhile, who's characters are we missing?

 

[DM_Matt]

Ashrem: I think that all your attack bonuses are one too high.....

 

[Jemal]

I'm still trying to decide between Nikki and Smith. Sorry for all the delay, they're both ready, I'm just doing comparisons to everyone elses character, to see which would be better suited. I'll have it posted soon.

 

[Krizzel]

No problem on that Jemal I haven't forgot.

Ok I found all seven of you now. Matt's character still needs a name, right?

Kitana - Black Wolf
garyh - Silent Snake
novyet - Snow Crane
Ashrem - Wraith
Jemal - Nikki / Smith
DM_Matt -
pervias - Evac

Also, can everyone who hasn't done it already post their character in the Rogue's Gallery? Even if they aren't finished yet (or there's two you're trying to choose betwee ) please still put them up. Then next time I can find them all in the same place

Now I just have to go all back through the thread and find my various rulings. Arrgh should have kept a doc file to stick them in from the beginning.

Oh and a note for Nikki I noticed - Brawl and Combat Martial Arts (and their Feat trees) do not work together. You can choose to use either one or the other when you make an attack. You can find this in the errata I linked to earlier (there's also a cleaned up version on the d20 System forum here on ENWorld I think - will try to link to it next).

edit: here's the cleaned up errata thread on ENWorld:

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33587

No more edits

 

[KitanaVorr]

I'm still trying to decide between Nikki and Smith. Sorry for all the delay, they're both ready, I'm just doing comparisons to everyone elses character, to see which would be better suited. I'll have it posted soon.

I kinda like Nikki =)

 

[Jemal]

Brawl and combat martial arts don't stack? !@%*&%#&%!!!
Oh well, I'll do a few changes then. Any suggestions for replacement feats? Are there any other bases we need covered?

I'll post both my characters to the rogues gallery, and edit out whichever one I decide not to use.

 

[Krizzel]

Yeah they should have put that in the book (is not at all clear from the language there...not sure they even mention it at all).

I don't think anyone has Exotic Firearms (rocket launchers) yet, which would be a good one. Otherwise why not take the next feat up on either Brawl or Combat Martial Arts, whichever one you pick?

As a side note while I'm looking at the feats, I think Streetfighting might work with CMA the way it's described. Will have to look at that errata again.

edit - added the link to the post above

 

[DM_Matt]

There IS the option of playing truly by-the-book....even in the NPC stat blocks CMA and Brawl seem to stack....virtually no one who does not read the wotc boards (or know someone who does) is going to play like that, because it is entirely without justification in the book itself and the idea of these two methods of enhancing unarmed strikes being mutually exclusive is an entirely foreign and unintuitive concept for the d20 system....

 

[Ashrem Bayle [Home]]

Hmm...

Yep. I was assuming that the Soldier was on a 1/1 BAB scale. It kinda seems dumb that he isn't.

I can't fix it until I get back to work though.

Krizzel -> Anyway, box magazines are going to half a pound each regardless of what ammo is loaded in them. If there are compelling reasons to change it later, I will, but I think the encumbrance rules are already tough enough.

As for the M2HB, it uses ammo belts, and I can't find anywhere in the book where weight is listed for those, either. A quarter pound for each round sounds about right to me, and that would make 100 rounds weight 25 pounds. Even that still seems a little severe, though.

Well. This is where we decide how important realism is going to be. Yes. In real life those rounds do weigh a lot.

However, these weapons are not usually deployed like we are talking about. (Because of their weight.)

The 50 Cal M82 sniper rifle is not used much. The standard sniper system for the US Army is the M24 (Remington 700). The M82 isn't used in normal sniper assignments. It is usually used only as a cover weapon for the team. In that case, it doesn't matter much what it weaighs since the sniper want ever be moving unless he is going to or from his chosen roost.

Personally, if I where playing a sniper character, I'd go for the PSG1. Of course, I have always loved that weapon so I'm biased.


The M2HB is the same way. You can't lug that thing around. In fact, I don't think you could even shoot it without support. (-8 penalty?) They are typically just deployed and not moved anymore.

But again, this is a futuristic game. If you want to allow these weapons Krizzel, you could just say that advances in technology have solved our problems and just leave it at that. *shrugs*