tylermalan
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Alright, definitely not gonna play a Tanarukk, as the level adjustment is too high, but I was thinking Earth Genasi...
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Deuce Traveler
Adventurer
I'll be looking into making a rogue as an alt. : )
Eluvan
First Post
Geez, the numbers you people are rolling terrify me. 
Let's see...
Goddess: The Savage Species version needs updating. I've done my best in the sblock below... if you see any discrepancies I missed ask me about them.
[sblock]
Level 1: Claws should do 1d6, like any other medium creature.
Level 2: Remove desecrate, darkness and doom from the list of spell like abilities.
Level 7: Energy Drain, if applied with a kiss, now incorporates a Suggestion to accept another kiss from the Succubus, Wil Save DC equal to the Energy Drain Fort DC.
Level 8: The Succubus no longer has access to Unholy Blight.
Level 9: Spell Resistance is now equal to 12 + Character Level.
Level 11: DR is now 10/cold iron or good
Level 12: The Succubus no longer has a 10% chance to summon a Balor. Replace this ability with a 30% chance to summon a Vrock.[/sblock]
Shame about the loss of spell like abilities, but I guess the Psionics will really help to offset that. Overall I think the changes probably result in a buff, particularly the big boost to SR.
Tyler: Earth Genasi are cool.
They don't strike me as very prone to improvisation though. They're generally favour a very staid, tried-and-true approach. Not that you have to conform to that racial stereotype of course, but it just strikes me as a slightly strange choice when, say, a Fire Genasi actually seems to have a racial inclination to the kind of character you were talking about making.
Deuce: Cool. I'll go take that question mark away from your name on the alts list.
Ferrix: Thanks.
Sorry you didn't get a chance to be involved in this one. There'll be others.
Let's see...
Goddess: The Savage Species version needs updating. I've done my best in the sblock below... if you see any discrepancies I missed ask me about them.
[sblock]
Level 1: Claws should do 1d6, like any other medium creature.
Level 2: Remove desecrate, darkness and doom from the list of spell like abilities.
Level 7: Energy Drain, if applied with a kiss, now incorporates a Suggestion to accept another kiss from the Succubus, Wil Save DC equal to the Energy Drain Fort DC.
Level 8: The Succubus no longer has access to Unholy Blight.
Level 9: Spell Resistance is now equal to 12 + Character Level.
Level 11: DR is now 10/cold iron or good
Level 12: The Succubus no longer has a 10% chance to summon a Balor. Replace this ability with a 30% chance to summon a Vrock.[/sblock]
Shame about the loss of spell like abilities, but I guess the Psionics will really help to offset that. Overall I think the changes probably result in a buff, particularly the big boost to SR.
Tyler: Earth Genasi are cool.
They don't strike me as very prone to improvisation though. They're generally favour a very staid, tried-and-true approach. Not that you have to conform to that racial stereotype of course, but it just strikes me as a slightly strange choice when, say, a Fire Genasi actually seems to have a racial inclination to the kind of character you were talking about making.
Deuce: Cool. I'll go take that question mark away from your name on the alts list.
Ferrix: Thanks.
Sorry you didn't get a chance to be involved in this one. There'll be others. Deuce Traveler
Adventurer
Ideas I had, which one do you like:
A level 5 doppleganger rogue
A doppleganger level 3 rogue/level 2 illusionist
A shadow, level 5 sorcerer
A level 6 lich wizard
A level 7 fighter, human skeleton
A level 5 doppleganger rogue
A doppleganger level 3 rogue/level 2 illusionist
A shadow, level 5 sorcerer
A level 6 lich wizard
A level 7 fighter, human skeleton
Eluvan
First Post
Deuce, I think you're getting confused between CR and ECL. For instance, you've assumed the Lich template has a Level Adjustment of +2, giving a level 6 lich wizard and ECL of 8. Well... firstly, you can't apply the template to a character who doesn't have caster level 11, since they need to make a phylactery and it requires CL 11 
. That aside though, the LA of a Lich is +4, not +2. CR =/= ECL.
So the Lich is out.
Skeletons aren't playable as a race as they stand in the Monster Manual - that nonexistent Int score is a bit of a catch.
There might be a template that gives a skeleton an int score and makes it usable as a PC... but if so, I'm not aware of it. We could invent one though, if you really want to play that character.
With the doppelgangers I fear you've fallen into the same trap as with the lich. You've just taken the CR and used that as the LA. In this case though that's doubly mistaken; the doppelganger actually has an LA of +4, and has 4 racial HD as well... so you *could* play one, but you'd have no class levels to start with.
And finally the Shadow... sorry, but no dice here either. In the Monster Manual the LA given for a Shadow is -, meaning they're not suitable for use as player characters. Savage Species does give rules for playing them though - and they have 3 racial HD and an LA of +7. You *could* play one, using a monstrous class progression, but that would leave you with no character class levels... and you wouldn't have any until level 11.
So... whew. Time for a rethink?
. That aside though, the LA of a Lich is +4, not +2. CR =/= ECL. So the Lich is out.
Skeletons aren't playable as a race as they stand in the Monster Manual - that nonexistent Int score is a bit of a catch.
There might be a template that gives a skeleton an int score and makes it usable as a PC... but if so, I'm not aware of it. We could invent one though, if you really want to play that character. With the doppelgangers I fear you've fallen into the same trap as with the lich. You've just taken the CR and used that as the LA. In this case though that's doubly mistaken; the doppelganger actually has an LA of +4, and has 4 racial HD as well... so you *could* play one, but you'd have no class levels to start with.
And finally the Shadow... sorry, but no dice here either. In the Monster Manual the LA given for a Shadow is -, meaning they're not suitable for use as player characters. Savage Species does give rules for playing them though - and they have 3 racial HD and an LA of +7. You *could* play one, using a monstrous class progression, but that would leave you with no character class levels... and you wouldn't have any until level 11.
So... whew. Time for a rethink?
Deuce Traveler
Adventurer
Darn...tried to slip it by you... : ) And I don't understand the CR, CL, ECL thing fully.... damn.... ummmm... I want to go with something wild and exotic, but I guess I screwed that one up. I'll do some brain storming, but I know I don't want to play a normal PC class like the human, elf, dwarf, etc. I also think Tieflings and other Outsider PCs are typical for Planescape, so I don't want to go for that... maybe I'll come up with something I create on my own if that is cool. The skeletal warrior was going to be something like a Lord Soth without the magic. I was also thinking of taking something known to be chaotic evil and play it as a lawful good paladin character. Something like a werewolf paladin.
Eluvan
First Post
Okay... hmmm... ideas... what about a dragon?
Dragons are something different, which would seem to suit you. With an ECL of 8 to play with, you could have a Black Wyrmling with one class level, or a White Wyrmling with 3 class levels. Alternatively you could aim for a monster class progression that will eventually wind up (at level 19) with a Young Red Dragon.
Whaddya think?
Dragons are something different, which would seem to suit you. With an ECL of 8 to play with, you could have a Black Wyrmling with one class level, or a White Wyrmling with 3 class levels. Alternatively you could aim for a monster class progression that will eventually wind up (at level 19) with a Young Red Dragon.
Whaddya think?
Deuce Traveler
Adventurer
Got a crazier one for you. What about a pseudo or pixie dragon spellcaster?
Eluvan
First Post
That'd work.
Pseudodragons have 2 racial HD and a LA of 3, for a total of ECL 5. If you want to go down that route tell me and I'll help you with working out the stats and so on. As for a pixie dragon... do you mean a Fairy Dragon? If so, I don't know where to find 3E stats for them. Do you? If not we can always make some up I guess, but it would be easier if you knew where to find the stats.
Pseudodragons have 2 racial HD and a LA of 3, for a total of ECL 5. If you want to go down that route tell me and I'll help you with working out the stats and so on. As for a pixie dragon... do you mean a Fairy Dragon? If so, I don't know where to find 3E stats for them. Do you? If not we can always make some up I guess, but it would be easier if you knew where to find the stats.
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