Why is your Superiority 4d8?
D&D 5E Optimizing Greenflame Blade
- Thread starter Z. H. Darkstar
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Why is your Superiority 4d8?
Z. H. Darkstar
Explorer
It's the 3d8 of GFB and the Superiority die combined.
FormerlyHemlock
Hero
How's that better than a Fireball?
Z. H. Darkstar
Explorer
No potential for collateral damage among your allies. Plus, you're trying to compare ranged AoE to melee horde breaking. It's a borderline comparison of apples and oranges.
Knight_Marshal
Explorer
I wonder how well an Arcana cleric would do with this cantrip?
mellored
Legend
Fairly well. They get armor and shields, so being in melee isn't as risky. And potent cantrip will apply to both initial and secondary, though i expect this to be errated. Dip for shillelagh helps MAD.
4d8+wis+wis = 28 (first target)
+4d8+wis = 23 (second).
Fireball:
8d6 = 28 + half on miss.
So probably equal to a 2rd or 3th level spell.
V-Human Feat Great Weapon master (Great Maul)
Spell-less Ranger(Hunter)5 DragonSorceror6 Runescribe2
-GWM (for -5/+10 effect, won't use BA option unless GFB is not worth it
-Ranger maneuvers
recision Attack and Sweeping Attack and extra attack option
-Sorc for Haste spell, GFB and Sorcery points for quicken. At Level 6 adds CHA to fire damage to GFB damage
-Runescribe 2 for Fire and Earth runes (Have both weapon buffs in affect)
Start by using your GFB BA, make an attack on each character (Expending Superiority die if needed to hit with precision), fire rune lets you reroll damage, if you roll max damage you also prone the target from the earth affect. This makes the rest of your attack this turn have advantage. All other attacks also have fire traits and reroll damage from fire rune affect. (You also use sweeping attack from the weapon attack on this move if you didn't use precision attack)
From here you make your standard action attack on the main target and sweeping attack each time with superiority dice
Finishing with Hasted standard attack with sweeping attack if you have enough superiority dice. You also get an attack on the 2nd target from the hunter horde breaker.
This totals for 4 attacks against the main target with GFB extra damage and 1 normal attack and 4 sweeping attacks (most likely) and GFB extra damage against a 2nd target within 5ft. Most of these attack have a chance to have advantage from proning.
What do you think?
Haste yourself. This gives you 2 normal attacks (each one triggers sweeping attack), 1 hasted attack (also triggers sweeping attack) and a quickened Green-Flame Blade (which hits two targets and the 2nd target also gets sweeping attack) For a total of 4 hits on the main target and 5 on the 2nd target as long as everyone is within 5ft.
Spell-less Ranger(Hunter)5 DragonSorceror6 Runescribe2
-GWM (for -5/+10 effect, won't use BA option unless GFB is not worth it
-Ranger maneuvers
recision Attack and Sweeping Attack and extra attack option-Sorc for Haste spell, GFB and Sorcery points for quicken. At Level 6 adds CHA to fire damage to GFB damage
-Runescribe 2 for Fire and Earth runes (Have both weapon buffs in affect)
Start by using your GFB BA, make an attack on each character (Expending Superiority die if needed to hit with precision), fire rune lets you reroll damage, if you roll max damage you also prone the target from the earth affect. This makes the rest of your attack this turn have advantage. All other attacks also have fire traits and reroll damage from fire rune affect. (You also use sweeping attack from the weapon attack on this move if you didn't use precision attack)
From here you make your standard action attack on the main target and sweeping attack each time with superiority dice
Finishing with Hasted standard attack with sweeping attack if you have enough superiority dice. You also get an attack on the 2nd target from the hunter horde breaker.
This totals for 4 attacks against the main target with GFB extra damage and 1 normal attack and 4 sweeping attacks (most likely) and GFB extra damage against a 2nd target within 5ft. Most of these attack have a chance to have advantage from proning.
What do you think?
Haste yourself. This gives you 2 normal attacks (each one triggers sweeping attack), 1 hasted attack (also triggers sweeping attack) and a quickened Green-Flame Blade (which hits two targets and the 2nd target also gets sweeping attack) For a total of 4 hits on the main target and 5 on the 2nd target as long as everyone is within 5ft.
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Z. H. Darkstar
Explorer
Not bad, but it's also heavily dependent on UA material, aka OP by initial design. Plus, it takes a while to put all of the pieces together. It's a steep climb behind the curve for not as much payoff.
The UA ranger can be a battlemaster instead, but then you lose the hunter's horde breaker attack but don't need any UAs to complete the build.
Z. H. Darkstar
Explorer
You'd also have to drop the Rune Scribe levels. Swapping them with Paladin adds smiting to the equation.
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