Eternalknight
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Tallarn said:
Will do. They are due to start the third day in just over an hour.
[OT] Ashes series
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Will do. They are due to start the third day in just over an hour.
Eternalknight
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Well, two quick wickets and England are 3/171.
Storminator
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OK, I'm trying again. Gimme some love!
I read the basic rules, but that conveys so little of the game. Random questions from the ignorant, here:
What's a good score? I'm getting the impression you can "bat" (is this the term?) for too long. How does that work?
And you can go defensive while you're batting? I feel like it's baseball in the twilight zone! Set me straight here...
PS
I read the basic rules, but that conveys so little of the game. Random questions from the ignorant, here:
What's a good score? I'm getting the impression you can "bat" (is this the term?) for too long. How does that work?
And you can go defensive while you're batting? I feel like it's baseball in the twilight zone! Set me straight here...
PS
Eternalknight
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Storminator said:
Well, a good score depends on a number of things. A test match lasts for 5 days, unless someone wins before then. Assuming no interruptions from weather, Australia's score of 492 was good. England so far have 3/177, which is also good. During a test match, it is possible to bat for too long; if no one has won the match by the end of the fifth day, the match is considered a draw. Therefore you do not want to bat for too long.
You can bat defensively. This is to minimize the risk of losing wickets, though run scoring slows. Teams do this if they are in a losing position, so that they are still batting by the end of the match (thus, rather than losing, the match is a draw).
Duncan Haldane
Explorer
Ok, here goes....
There are two types of International cricket games - Test matches and One Day matches.
One Day matches were invented in th 70s for Television. Each team gets to bat for a maximum of 50 overs (an over is 6 balls plus any for "foul" balls), and whoever has the better score wins - a tie occurs if both end with the same number of runs.
A good score varies with the quality of the pitch (the area on which the bowler bowls), but generally a score by the first team batting of between 200 and 300 is reasonable. Anything over 300 is very good - unless it's a low quality pitch that makes it too easy for the batters.
The second team simply has to pass the first teams score.
A test match last up to five days. Each team can bat twice. A draw occurs if time runs out before both teams get to complete their alotted innings, without one winning.
Let's imagine an example. Team A bats and scores 350. Team B bats and scores 325 - 25 runs short of Team A, but not too bad. Team A bats again, scoring 250. Team B now needs to get past 275 to win.
If Team B is bowled out (all 10 wickets taken by Team A, less for any injured players who cannot bat) for less than 275 then Team A wins.
If Team B scores more than 275 they win.
If Team B scores exactly 275 then it is a tie (very rare - this requires either they all get out on exactly 275, or the time runs out with them on this score).
If Team B has not scored 275, but is not out when time runs out, then the game is a draw.
Draws are relatively common, but not so much as they used to be, it seems to me.
Now, in a test, timing is important. For both teams to bat twice in 5 days, they really only have 1.25 days per innings. So, the teams will usually keep that in mind.
But - one more confusion is the "follow on". If the team batting second is all out in their first innings, and are trailing the team who batted first by more than 200, then the first team can request that they bat again immediately - follow on.
So, if team A scores 500 runs, and Team B is out for example 287 then Team B may be asked to follow on.
Say then they get out for 260. - they now have a total of 547. Team A now only needs to get 48 runs to win.
So following on is a very good thing to aim for. With this in mind it is often that the first team will try to bat for longer than 1.25 days in their first innings.
As for batting defensively - well, unlike Baseball, in Cricket you can just hit a ball a small distance and not attempt a run. So, if your object is just to not get out, regardless of runs, then you can go defensive, attempting to just pass time. It's much harder to get someone out in these circumstances.
Why would a team go defensive? If they think it is impossible to win, but they can get a draw, then it's reasonable.
So, what's a good score in Test Cricket? Well, for the team batting first, usually about 450+ is good, IMO.
There, I think that's enough for now...
Duncan
There are two types of International cricket games - Test matches and One Day matches.
One Day matches were invented in th 70s for Television. Each team gets to bat for a maximum of 50 overs (an over is 6 balls plus any for "foul" balls), and whoever has the better score wins - a tie occurs if both end with the same number of runs.
A good score varies with the quality of the pitch (the area on which the bowler bowls), but generally a score by the first team batting of between 200 and 300 is reasonable. Anything over 300 is very good - unless it's a low quality pitch that makes it too easy for the batters.
The second team simply has to pass the first teams score.
A test match last up to five days. Each team can bat twice. A draw occurs if time runs out before both teams get to complete their alotted innings, without one winning.
Let's imagine an example. Team A bats and scores 350. Team B bats and scores 325 - 25 runs short of Team A, but not too bad. Team A bats again, scoring 250. Team B now needs to get past 275 to win.
If Team B is bowled out (all 10 wickets taken by Team A, less for any injured players who cannot bat) for less than 275 then Team A wins.
If Team B scores more than 275 they win.
If Team B scores exactly 275 then it is a tie (very rare - this requires either they all get out on exactly 275, or the time runs out with them on this score).
If Team B has not scored 275, but is not out when time runs out, then the game is a draw.
Draws are relatively common, but not so much as they used to be, it seems to me.
Now, in a test, timing is important. For both teams to bat twice in 5 days, they really only have 1.25 days per innings. So, the teams will usually keep that in mind.
But - one more confusion is the "follow on". If the team batting second is all out in their first innings, and are trailing the team who batted first by more than 200, then the first team can request that they bat again immediately - follow on.
So, if team A scores 500 runs, and Team B is out for example 287 then Team B may be asked to follow on.
Say then they get out for 260. - they now have a total of 547. Team A now only needs to get 48 runs to win.
So following on is a very good thing to aim for. With this in mind it is often that the first team will try to bat for longer than 1.25 days in their first innings.
As for batting defensively - well, unlike Baseball, in Cricket you can just hit a ball a small distance and not attempt a run. So, if your object is just to not get out, regardless of runs, then you can go defensive, attempting to just pass time. It's much harder to get someone out in these circumstances.
Why would a team go defensive? If they think it is impossible to win, but they can get a draw, then it's reasonable.
So, what's a good score in Test Cricket? Well, for the team batting first, usually about 450+ is good, IMO.
There, I think that's enough for now...
Duncan
Snoweel
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Bagpuss said:
Now Bagpuss...
That's just unfair.
As far as criminality goes, your countrymen are as bad as mine. It's ironic that a criminal record is what stops a lot of Poms from gaining residency here when 200 years ago, it would have all but guaranteed their "right" to live here.
Our ancestors grew up next to your ancestors and were likely no more larcenous.
The difference is ours were stupid enough to get caught.
BTW - I read that in the interests of making the games competitive, they're going to implement some rule changes.
Having overruled the possibility of allowing England to select from all the Aussie backpackers in London, they're now going to rule "one hand, one bounce" for England and "tip and run" for the Aussies.
Vaguely related: Billy Birmingham (as Richie Benaud) thinks Sri Lanka will be competitive in the next One-Day test due to their opening batsmen, Arkudda Bunchalavenda and Jamdem Innavars.
Eternalknight
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1st innings:
Australia 492
England 325
2nd innings:
Australia 2-111
Australia lead by 278 runs.
Australia 492
England 325
2nd innings:
Australia 2-111
Australia lead by 278 runs.
Snoweel
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BeholderBurger said:
Yeah, football man myself (Rugby League, Union, NFL and "Soccer" football).
I've never liked cricket (played rep baseball as a teenager, which doesn't mean anything since we don't have so many players to choose from), and I don't know the rules, but it's a fantastic game when we flog the Poms.
And I reckon we'd have you at football too.
arwink
Clockwork Golem
The low-energy sports are the best to watch as a spectator. They let you do away with actually following the game and get on with the more interesting hobbies of ranting about the game, drinking at the games, eating meat pies and hurling good-natured insults at foreigners when you're winning 
Eternalknight
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Well, it happened. England collapsed Australia thrashing them by 384 runs.
The scores:
1st innings:
Australia: all out for 492 (Hayden 197, Ponting 123, Caddick 3/108)
England: all out for 325 (Trescothick 72, Crawley 69 not out, McGrath 4/87)
2nd innings
Australia: 5/296 declared (Hayden 103, Martyn 64, Caddick 3/95)
England: all out for 79 (Butcher 40, McGrath 4/36, Warne 3/29)
Hayden was man of the match.
Australia thrashing them by 384 runs.The scores:
1st innings:
Australia: all out for 492 (Hayden 197, Ponting 123, Caddick 3/108)
England: all out for 325 (Trescothick 72, Crawley 69 not out, McGrath 4/87)
2nd innings
Australia: 5/296 declared (Hayden 103, Martyn 64, Caddick 3/95)
England: all out for 79 (Butcher 40, McGrath 4/36, Warne 3/29)
Hayden was man of the match.
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