[OT] Some Interesting Trivia: The Shot Glass

You'd think, on a roleplaying board, you'd be more interested i nthe origin of the middle finger, and the phrase (slightly modified) of Pluck Yew.

And, being the nice guy that I am...

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Before the Battle of Agincourt in 1415, the French, anticipating victory over the English, proposed to cut off the middle finger of all captured English soldiers. Without the middle finger it would be impossible to draw the renowned English longbow and therefore [soldiers would] be incapable of fighting in the future. This famous weapon was made of the native English yew tree, and the act of drawing the longbow was known as "plucking the yew." Much to the bewilderment of the French, the English won a major upset and began mocking the French by waving their middle fingers at the defeated French, saying, "See, we can still pluck yew!"

Over the years some "folk etymologies" have grown up around this symbolic gesture. Since "pluck yew" is rather difficult to say, like "pheasant mother plucker," which is who you had to go to for the feathers used on the arrows for the longbow, the difficult consonant cluster at the beginning has gradually changed to a labiodental fricative "f," and thus the words often used in conjunction with the one-finger salute are mistakenly thought to have something to do with an intimate encounter. It is also because of the pheasant feathers on the arrows that the gesture is known as "giving the bird."
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Not that it's true... but it sounds true
 

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--die_kludge--
"Please to put a penny in an old man's hat"...
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Ah, thanks, you triggered a memory. Here's the entire thing (or at least, that version of it).

Christmas is coming, the geese are getting fat
Please to put a penny in an old man's hat
If you haven't a penny, a ha' penny will do
If you haven't a ha' penny, God bless you.
 

Wippit Guud said:
Not that it's true... but it sounds true
I've heard somewhat the same story. Realize though that the British don't show contempt by showing the middle finger, but by showing their middle finger and their index fingers - the fingers (along with the thumb obviously) you use to pull the bow string, and the story - even if some elements of it is true - is thusly definitely an americanized version. The story as it has been told to me goes that the French used to cut off some of the index finger and the middle finger of the longbowmen to make it impossible for them to use the bow, and the archers spited the French by showing them the fingers. Not a very different story, but it doesn't explain the distinctly American tradition of showing only the middle finger and not also the index finger when making vulgar gestures.
 
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Ah, good to see some fellow history buffs here. Now for a real historical trivia question: What is the origin of the word "f*ck"?

Lets see if anyone gets this....:cool:
 

I heard (somewhere, way back when I was still frying my brain) that "sh*t-eating grin" came from a piece of imagery (in literature) in which the Devil "grinned like a fox eating sh*t out of a wire brush".


And fnord is a Discordian holy word.
 

Ah, why not: one of my favorite phrase origins.

"Come Hell or high water" -- Originates from a medieval punishment in which a large cauldron was filled with boiling water, and a key was placed at the bottom. How much water went into the cauldron depended on the severity of the crime -- and the accused had to retrieve the key from the cauldron. Sometimes, the water was deeper than arm's reach...
 

haiiro said:
Ah, why not: one of my favorite phrase origins.

"Come Hell or high water" -- Originates from a medieval punishment in which a large cauldron was filled with boiling water, and a key was placed at the bottom. How much water went into the cauldron depended on the severity of the crime -- and the accused had to retrieve the key from the cauldron. Sometimes, the water was deeper than arm's reach...

ow:eek: I hadn't heard of that one.......
 

Angcuru said:
Ah, good to see some fellow history buffs here. Now for a real historical trivia question: What is the origin of the word "f*ck"?

Lets see if anyone gets this....:cool:

There is a (false I believe) story that suggests that the word in question came from the phrase

"Fornicating Under Consent of the King"
 
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DocMoriartty said:


There is a (false I believe) story that suggests that the word in question came from the phrase

"Fornicating Under Consent of the King"

I heard this as well, but the word itself is derived from the dutch 'fokken' - to breed (as in cattle), but might still have something to do with the F.U.C.K. story, if not just in terms of spelling.
 

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