(OT) Teenager dies of Acute Stupidity Disorder
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It's just another example of a person who didn't think that the rules (or signs, in this case) applied to them. This is the type of person who speeds every time they get into a car, this is the type of person who carelessly handles a firearm, this is the type of person who takes risks for no reason other than the thrill of taking a risk. These people take their lives for granted and it is no real tragedy when they die, it is just the odds catching up with them.
I'm A Banana
Potassium-Rich
I'd call him an Adventurer!
And adventuring is a dangerous career that often results in massive death and/or physical taruama.
Seriously. Adventuring is the hieght of greed and stupidity. You go into dangerous places for glory and gold. It's like Survivor where the trees can strangle you and the island contains the tomb of a long-dead king willing to kill you.
Just because we glorify it doesn't make it extremely intelligent.
The kid is a sad case. He wasn't nessecarily a lot more stupid than average, maybe a bit more ballsy than average.
But it was the guy's own fault. HIS fault for being stupid and/or overly courageous. HIS fault for straddling the hole (shut up, Hong). HIS fault for ignoring the warnings of others. HIS fault for wanting to impress the chicks (it's kind of ironic...he probably wanted to show he was brave and worthy of being liked by the girls present, to pass on his genes in a sort of display. And he turned out dead. Like the antelope that won't give up and ends up gored to death by the bigger, stronger antelope. Plus, it illustrates that as much death and pain as Men stereotypically cause, a lot of it has it's roots in women. And I like it.
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It Was His Fault, Lady.
That's all that needs to be driven home, here. His Fault. Not the state's. Not the world's. Not yours. His. He's 18 years old. The time for teaching him not to make a bridge out of himself over holes, even to impress a potential mate, has passed.
Get off your high horse and realize that just 'cuz he's dead doesn't mean it's not his fault. It's Disney's fault, this happens, really. No one can be a bad guy, so any pain in your life has to be the cause of the Bad Guys.
And adventuring is a dangerous career that often results in massive death and/or physical taruama.
Seriously. Adventuring is the hieght of greed and stupidity. You go into dangerous places for glory and gold. It's like Survivor where the trees can strangle you and the island contains the tomb of a long-dead king willing to kill you.
Just because we glorify it doesn't make it extremely intelligent.
The kid is a sad case. He wasn't nessecarily a lot more stupid than average, maybe a bit more ballsy than average.
But it was the guy's own fault. HIS fault for being stupid and/or overly courageous. HIS fault for straddling the hole (shut up, Hong). HIS fault for ignoring the warnings of others. HIS fault for wanting to impress the chicks (it's kind of ironic...he probably wanted to show he was brave and worthy of being liked by the girls present, to pass on his genes in a sort of display. And he turned out dead. Like the antelope that won't give up and ends up gored to death by the bigger, stronger antelope. Plus, it illustrates that as much death and pain as Men stereotypically cause, a lot of it has it's roots in women. And I like it.
).It Was His Fault, Lady.
That's all that needs to be driven home, here. His Fault. Not the state's. Not the world's. Not yours. His. He's 18 years old. The time for teaching him not to make a bridge out of himself over holes, even to impress a potential mate, has passed.
Get off your high horse and realize that just 'cuz he's dead doesn't mean it's not his fault. It's Disney's fault, this happens, really. No one can be a bad guy, so any pain in your life has to be the cause of the Bad Guys.
Zappo
Explorer
That was a completely and irrevocably stupid action. I would have expected it by an 8 years old, maybe. It's a sad story, but there's noone to blame save the guy. I find it somewhat comforting that evolution still works, somewhat.
The most disgusting bit is the father sueing. Oh, how I would love it if only he ended up with nothing except paying all legal expenses of both parties. I don't see why the state should waste taxpayers' money paying an attorney to defend against such an idiotic lawsuit.
The second most disgusting bit is the idea of putting a grate over the blowhole. Ruining a beautiful natural feature to prevent something that a warning sign and a working brain already prevent?
The most disgusting bit is the father sueing. Oh, how I would love it if only he ended up with nothing except paying all legal expenses of both parties. I don't see why the state should waste taxpayers' money paying an attorney to defend against such an idiotic lawsuit.
The second most disgusting bit is the idea of putting a grate over the blowhole. Ruining a beautiful natural feature to prevent something that a warning sign and a working brain already prevent?
jester47 said:
Of course the characters who are in the games who do stupid things are expendable, they are ficticous and their actions have no bearing on our survival. (Jack Chick's beliefs aside.)
Also, could the kid wade through Kobolds? Talk with god and get him to talk back, how about get him to heal people for him, or even smite his foes? How about fling around magical forces capable of killing your average Joe (Level 1 Commoner)? Mayhap he had access to life restoring magic? Or knew of it's existence? Or maybe even a coke that could cure aids or mend compound fractures in a second?
Did he think there was gold in the bottom of the hole? Perhaps he's less mercenary and thought there was somebody in distress and he was going to rescue them? I know, was he hired or otherwise directed to do what he did? I don't know, maybe some bastard slipped him a $20 to end his life, but I doubt it.
Something tells me these things aren't true, and thus a comparison between him and your average D&D character isn't really valid, if nothing else he is a person, they are characters they can get away with doing stupid stuff because getting themselves killed means you roll up a new character, not the case with him, unless you believe in reincarnation.
It is sad that he died, no matter how annoying laughable stupid people are they don’t deserve life less then other folk. But sad or not the truth is there is nothing else to blame for his death but his own stupidity.
buzzard
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The fact that one plays D&D has no bearing whatsoever on glorifying actions in real life. Yes my character goes in search of bad guys to kill and loot to amass. This does not mean I think it would be a peachy idea to visit the bad parts of town to waste drug dealers and collect their cash. My life expectancy would be severely curtailed by such action. I know that if my character gets whacked it either resurrection or a new character- BFD. My life, OTOH is rather less replaceable.
The teen decided to meet Uncle Charles. That is really all that happened. The father ought to be introduced to Uncle Charles.
Buzzard
The teen decided to meet Uncle Charles. That is really all that happened. The father ought to be introduced to Uncle Charles.
Buzzard
jester47
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I think his mother feels powerless. She wants somthing done to fix it. Our society teaches that there are ways to make things better. She only seeks to shield herself from her grief.
His fater may have still had a relationship with the boy even though he was divorced. He probably feels anger and wants someone to suffer and feel the pain he feels. Misery loves company.
I cannot judge the kid. He was living life his own way. That way was reckless. All I can think about were what his last moments must have been like, dark, alone, his lungs growing cold as they filled with water, being sucked through a hole out to sea.
For me to call these people stupid for being human seems to further the pain and tragedy. It makes me count my blessings for the number of times I have been just as heedless of warnings but for whatever reason, survived.
I think that to call him stupid is to make him less of him. People do this to distance themselves from death and to reassure themselves that thier time of rekoning is far away. How many times have you assumed you would be alive in the future and said with certainty "I will do this tomorrow." Death is a thing that few can face. To call him stupid is to distance yourself from your own mortality.
I shall not do such a thing. Death may come for me tonight or tomorrow. I hope it does not. Who knows if it will. Will I go out crying like a child in the dark or will I die in my sleep? I hope not. Will I be brave in the face of death? I can only hope I can be. I would not want someone to treat my memory so bad as many have treated his. I will not call him stupid, for I cannot say for certain that I am better than he.
Aaron.
His fater may have still had a relationship with the boy even though he was divorced. He probably feels anger and wants someone to suffer and feel the pain he feels. Misery loves company.
I cannot judge the kid. He was living life his own way. That way was reckless. All I can think about were what his last moments must have been like, dark, alone, his lungs growing cold as they filled with water, being sucked through a hole out to sea.
For me to call these people stupid for being human seems to further the pain and tragedy. It makes me count my blessings for the number of times I have been just as heedless of warnings but for whatever reason, survived.
I think that to call him stupid is to make him less of him. People do this to distance themselves from death and to reassure themselves that thier time of rekoning is far away. How many times have you assumed you would be alive in the future and said with certainty "I will do this tomorrow." Death is a thing that few can face. To call him stupid is to distance yourself from your own mortality.
I shall not do such a thing. Death may come for me tonight or tomorrow. I hope it does not. Who knows if it will. Will I go out crying like a child in the dark or will I die in my sleep? I hope not. Will I be brave in the face of death? I can only hope I can be. I would not want someone to treat my memory so bad as many have treated his. I will not call him stupid, for I cannot say for certain that I am better than he.
Aaron.
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Blood Jester
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Nah, he was Jon Erik-Hexum stupid. If I do something that dumb, and I die, please, everyone talk about what an idiot I was. It might just discourage someone else from going out in the same stupid fashion I did.
And his family's pain is no excuse to try to make others suffer. A reason, maybe, but not an excuse.
And his family's pain is no excuse to try to make others suffer. A reason, maybe, but not an excuse.
jester47
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buzzard said:
The insinuation that I was saying that he was the same as a D&D character is semantic and insulting. What I mean to say is that he shares the same state of mind with what would be the typical adventurer. The game glorifies adventurers (in all forms) from "Cops and Firefighters" to "Call of Cthulhu." Our society does the same.
You (and the other three posts) are trying to tell me that we do not glorify people who attempt dangerous things just to do them? Why did we send expeditions to the poles? Why do people climb Mt. Everest? Because they are stupid? Thats BS. And you all know it. The early astronaughts didn't go into space and the moon in the name of science. They went because it was the best thrill around. Science was an afterthought. Neil Armstrong went to the moon, played golf, and picked up some rocks, went home. Thats the type of person this kid was. But he turned out to be Apollo 1 instead of Apollo 11. So don't go saying hes stupid, he died, I must be better. Because you are not. He chose to be adventurous, you choose to be safe. That is the difference. He was more daring than you appear to be from this side of a message board.
Aaron.
jester47
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Blood Jester said:
I think your death would be enough to discourage anyone. And no, I won't speak of someone like that even if they asked me too. Sorry man, thats not the type of person I want to be. I will say you did not think what you were doing through and you were not prepared for what happened. But I will never say you were stupid or an idiot. I will not intentionally step down to that level even on invitation.
Aaron.
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