[OT] Ten Technologies That Deserve to Die

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Baraendur said:
This guy is clearly a technophobe. While I can understand the combustion engine, I think his stance on DVDs and space travel is, well, stupid.
Well, unless Sterling has been replaced by an evil clone, he's no technophobe...just an aging Cyberpunk writer cum PC columnist and tech pundit who's obviously short on ideas, lately. And I can't help but notice the addition of the words 'humorist' to his C.V....so this may just be a joke.

Assuming it's not, I can't imagine he's suddenly become so short-sighted. The whole rant was essentially a 'mean people suck' diatribe. Sterling full well knows that Genies don't go back in bottles. There is simply no way to cause instant and total nuclear disarmament. Nukes are here until we find a way to neutralize them. DVDs bad? He's been around long enough to remember what came before. I'll take my 4-disc LOTR set, thankyouverymuch. Obviously, he's never kept video tapes for more than a decade. I HAVE. As some of my tapes reach almost 20 years of age, I can tell you that DVDs are GOOD.

There were others, but I don't think it's necessary to go on. Knowing his history, I can only assume this is a big practical joke. Sterling knows better than this. Or his just fooling himself.
 

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I believe it was David Brinkley who suggested that air conditioning was one of the most double-edged inventions in history. Sure it makes working indoors much more comfortable, but that just allows Congress to stay in session all year long! :rolleyes: (Before A/C, Congress adjourned for most of the year, since Washington DC was built on a swamp. In fact, the British government considered the climate so bad, Washington was once considered a "hardship post", meaning personnel could wear shorts and pith helmets).

As for Mr. Sterling, the most positive thing I can say is he's prompted some interesting discussion. His list, however, is absurd.
 

Cthulhu's Librarian said:
Just to put a little more perspective on where Sometimes you need to read much more into the articles to see that while he says things need to change, he knows its not going to happen anytime soon.

Just to add some information to Cthulhu's Librian's notes. Bruce Sterling is also a member of the Viridian Movement which is a pro-technology enviromental political movement.

This would explain why coal power, the I.C.E., and other elements are on his wish list. Anyone taking personal offense at this list is taking it far too seriously. It's a post designed to encourage debate and discourse--much like the little infographics on the front pages of US Today. And considering just the response on this message board, I think Sterling has proved that he's a skilled author.
 

Benben said:
This would explain why coal power, the I.C.E., and other elements are on his wish list. Anyone taking personal offense at this list is taking it far too seriously. It's a post designed to encourage debate and discourse--much like the little infographics on the front pages of US Today. And considering just the response on this message board, I think Sterling has proved that he's a skilled author.

I hardly think it takes a skilled author to look like an idiot in public.

I'm not quite sure who has taken personal offense. People have just commented that the man sounds like a moron.

buzzard
 

I can't believe I am reading people actually talking about land minds as an important military option. What happens when the war is over and the land minds are no longer needed? Do you think the military who put them go back and clean them up? No they become a hazard for years after the conflict. Maiming and killing innocents some who were not even born when the war was fought.

I agree it would be nice to get rid of nuclear bombs but no way to put that genie back into the bottle. And yes alternate energy sources need to be found. And he is right prisons don't work but taking away privileges does not stop crime.

As for manned space flight I think exploration is needed but it is true that some of this can be done with unmanned probes.

DVDs are not perfect but thay sure are better than tapes if only for the reason that thwy take up less room and don't caause a hernia when you move. :D
 

buzzard said:
I hardly think it takes a skilled author to look like an idiot in public.

I'm not quite sure who has taken personal offense. People have just commented that the man sounds like a moron.

buzzard

Which is just points out how little they know about Sterling, and how much they are missing the point of the article.
 

Elf Witch said:
And he is right prisons don't work but taking away privileges does not stop crime.

You're right, prisons should be abolished. If people aren't fit to live in society, they should be executed so that they aren't a drain on the nation's resources (not to mention that they would no longer pose a threat to society after release).

Oops, was that political? Pardon my digression.
 
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Baraendur said:
You're right, prisons should be abolished. If people aren't fit to live in society, they should be executed so that they aren't a drain on the nation's resources (not to mention that they would no longer pose a threat to society after release).

Oops, was that political? Pardon my digression.

Well if that is your solution I hope you use it fairly and kill all the rich white collar criminals who have stolen and hurt people for more money than a druggie robbing a liquor store. But of course if you kill a few innocents who were not guilty hey why throw the baby out with the bathwater right?

BTW American prisons don't work some other countries systems work much better maybe we ahould take a look at what they are doing.
 

Let's see... what are my reactions?

1: Nuclear arms
There's a good point here, actually. The US can blow the crap out of anything without resorting to nukes - a few tanks of petrol and some air is all you really need. For the modern world, nukes are a liability for the reasons Sterling's outlined. Fortunately, they're not quite as easily stolen as he'd have us believe.

Wait, who am I kidding? My cousin accidentally bought six nuclear warheads in Russia and didn't realise until he got them home to Australia. That's kinda freaky.

2: Coal-Based Power
It's a current power source, so is fairly necessary. Nevertheless, if you could get rid of it, I bet you would. Alternatively, everyone could move to volcanic regions with plenty of rivers and generate half their power via hydro or geotherms, like we do in New Zealand. Which poses the obvious risk of being blown up or doused in sulphurous magma every few decades, of course.

3: Internal Combustion Engine
Well, duh. This thing has had only cosmetic enhancements since its genesis two centuries ago. It's outdated technology, and if more research had been put into finding a solution, everyone would surely be much happier. It's the old Greek argument for having slaves - what on Earth would they do if we abolished slavery? Well, we freed the slaves and they seem to be doing alright.

4: Incandescent Lightbulbs
I don't mind fluorescent bulbs, actually. Nearly half the bulbs in our house are fluoros, and it's so refreshing (a) not to be bathed in yellow all the time (I reckon fluoro's like daylight in a can) and (b) not to have to change the damn things for 10 years or so. Sure, the energy efficiency only comes when they're active for a long time - activation is the biggest energy drain - so there's still a spot for energy efficient, cheap-activation blubs. It's just that that spot isn't as large as you might think.

5: Land Mines
Again, no duh. Anybody who deploys these weapons knows that they're creating a civilian hazard. It's stupid to do it on your own soil, and it's stupid to do it if you're invading someone else for humanitarian purposes (regime change, that sort of thing). That means the only people who can justify land mines are people who are invading a country without wanting to stay there or care about its people, which isn't too many forces last time I looked.

There is, however, a technology called MetalStorm, applications of which are being marketed as an alternative to landmines as area denial. I forget the link, but the idea involves weapon pods that are easily recovered.

6: Manned Spaceflight
I respectfully disagree. I think we need to get off this planet as fast as possible (I admit, first we have to work on overcoming our physiological responses to space through GE or cybernetics), simply because nobody's going to give up their nukes any time soon, and it's just a matter of time before some loony comes up with something even worse. The 21st century is going to see nanotech enter the world stage; the potential for abuse is mind-boggling. I reiterate: Get off-world now, maybe you can come back in a billion years.

7: Prisons
The principal of punishment is flawed. I can't speak for other countries, but here in New Zealand there have been trials of prison-run workshops where inmates were taught to read or cook for themselves. Upon release, the reoffense rate went down. I think this says something. Prisons still have a place to restrain people dangerous to society at large, but rehabilitation is a real thing, and it deserves more screen time.

That's not his point, though. His point, of course, is flawed - especially in major urban areas, the concentration of offenders under house arrest would be untenable. I think. I'm no penal expert, though.

8: Cosmetic Implants
Biological matter is a wonderful substance. It's self-replicating, it's almost as strong as metal machines that need constant maintenance, and it's supremely multi-purpose.

But it's not the best at everything, and I suppose that's why the first cybernetic implants have crept in under our noses as cosmetics. OK, they're not technically machine-interfaces, but they're artificial matter designed to make people 'better' and function in a different way to biomass.

Which I think is fascinating.

9: Lie Detectors
I think there's definite room for improvement here. But, as a bonus, once technology advances to the point where these things become reliable, we can establish man-machine interfaces and evolve into a planetary gestalt mind. Which I think would be pretty cool.

10: DVDs
Yep, he's talking like Jim Carrey in a Hawaiian shirt here. DVDs are awesome. They're not perfect, of course, but all we need to do to fix that is make lots of noise to the people desiging the next generation, right? Right? Geeks, take back the future?

There's my rant for the hour. Now, what technologies do I think should be retired?

I think we'll soon have the chance to do away with radio transmission (based on advances in quantum teleportation). Infinite-range (or at least global) wireless communication with no microwave emissions would be cool.

I also find myself wondering about the long-term viability of plastic in an oil-haemmorhaging world, but biotech will come up with a solution by the time that becomes an issue, so it's probably moot.
 

Political commentary for the most part, which resulted in political commentary for the most part.

I tried to write a decent post, but every time it was too political. I'll try to take out the political stuff.

There are a lot of factors in coal use.

Nuclear weapons ended WW 2 effectively.

We do not know the answers and space exploration is a healthy R&D method. Even if it is expensive and we mis-step from time-to-time.

If prisons were working, we would not have the highest prison population in the world.

It was a fun list that has me saying "Where are cell phones?"

See it's still all political. ;)
 

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